Every Puppy Born = Adds to the Statistics

    • Gold Top Dog

    Every Puppy Born = Adds to the Statistics

    Yep, every single one.

    I usually don't even enter into a thread where people are debating the difference between purebred showdogs, BYB's, oops litters, millers, spay/neuter legislation, supply vs demand, etc...but I read them all.

    I've seen a split in this board as of late while reading some threads, between those who actively breed their dogs for whatever reason and those who rescue the dogs who have fallen by the wayside due to being caught up in the endless human machine of "me".

    I am not for BSL or mandatory S&N laws. I am not an animal rights extremist who wants to see pet dogs eliminated, either. I am a believer in personal responsibility and being responsible for the dogs which already exist before bringing more dogs into a world which treats them as "commodities" and external ego. But, how do we get past the ego?

    I've had some pretty weird thoughts lately on what might be a solution. If we start with peer pressure by making it "cool" to adopt, foster, and rescue? Well, I see that already happening to a certain extent since many people are up for the challenge of adopting dogs which had a rough start in life in the understanding that rehab is indeed possible at almost any age. Where I live it has become an "ego" badge of honor to rescue a shelter dog, and believe me that is the "in" thing around here. So, the human gets their ego boost and a dog gets saved from death, yay!

    I wonder what would happen if dog shows ceased to exist and the focus was put into evaluating dogs based on functional working performance rather than looks and trophies? What if dogs ceased to be sold and instead only adopted for a minimal fee?

    Arg! So complex, but it still comes down to human beings and their self-rewarding behavior. If there is nothing in it for the human, there is nothing in it for the dog.

    Anyway, that's my big rant on this issue. I feel I have every right to breed my dog for whatever reason, and so do you. I also am just as proud of the fact that I have never brought more dogs into the world and all my dogs were discards who were given a second chance.

    Yep, self-fulfillment all the way around, I feel great giving a throw-away dog a second chance! No excuses.

    So please, think before you breed another litter, or two, or three...because those purebred puppies still add to the statistics...every single one.

    Happy trails!

    • Gold Top Dog

     My personal opinions:

    Every person who has helped rescue a dog either by fostering, volunteering, donating, or adopting should feel very proud of himself. Rescue is wonderful, and the dogs sure appreciate it!

    However, from a grander perspective, if the only people breeding dogs are the ones who don't care about them (i.e. people who don't S/N, BYBs, etc.) then in the long term dogs will suffer genetically. There is a major problem with human over-population as well, but I'm guessing that many dog advocates do not feel similarly about "human rescue" (adoption) versus "human breeding" (creating and giving birth to a child that is genetically yours).

    Angelique
    So please, think before you breed another litter, or two, or three...because those purebred puppies still add to the statistics...every single one.

    I agree - breeding is not an operation to be taken lightly! Likewise, I wish more humans would be more careful about their breeding habits - then perhaps we wouldn't get quite as many horrifying stories in the newspapers. Wink

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    He-he Cita! I have also not brought any humans into the world. Never have even been pregnant!

    Although, I have raised plenty of other people's messed up kids! Nine boys and a girl. Everything from my two stepsons to a young man on probation for running meth with a concealed weapon, to an angry neo-nazi! All are all grown up and doing well!

    Even two of my horses were whacky ex-racers who became stable trail horses with a bit of work!

    I guess I simply do what I was born to do, and I think I am as far from perfect as you'll ever meet!

     

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    Angelique
    I wonder what would happen if dog shows ceased to exist and the focus was put into evaluating dogs based on functional working performance rather than looks and trophies? What if dogs ceased to be sold and instead only adopted for a minimal fee?

     

     I would just be happy if every dog show dog to be bred had to be evaluated for functional working performance as well as looks.And to be fair to the dog show people every dog that shows functional working performance should have to be evaluated for proper conformation and standard. Only then should you be able to breed the dog.

     Minimal fees would make many breeds popular that are not now due to their expense.And it would make a lot more people inclined to get a dog, that could be good for homing but could be bad to since a lot of those people will be dog stupid. I think it should be the other way around. If you pay $1000 for a puppy you are more inclined to put effort into keeping it and making sure it is well adjusted.

     You are right, it is complex, it is frustrating and I have no clue how to solve the problem. My only contribution is to not breed and to assist when I can in rescuing.

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    Angelique

    I wonder what would happen if dog shows ceased to exist and the focus was put into evaluating dogs based on functional working performance rather than looks and trophies? What if dogs ceased to be sold and instead only adopted for a minimal fee?

    Nice thought...and it would make sense aside from the fact that every competitive event that concerns dogs has people in it who breed to WIN...whether it be a herding trial, agility comp, mushing, obedience, etc.

    You are asking human beings to give up their competitive natures and need to win...and IMO that's asking a lot. Sine many people are drawn to dog eventing not just "to have fun"...but to win. And that goes for ANY event using ANY animal as a participant.

    And if you charge $5 for a dog...guess what...you are "selling it"..shelters sell dogs, just the same as breeders do. Nice cutesy names like "adoption fee" don't change that...if you charge any amount for a dog...you have sold it.

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    I have seen people who breed dogs that have no business breeding......as a matter of fact the majority of people who breed have no business breeding.......some breed just because they can, or it's cute to have puppies around for a while, and then the ones that pump out a high number of animals to make a living........I am a person who rescues, and I have a hard time with it, only because I feel bad that I can't save them all.....

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     I know I am new here so my opinion amounts to little, but I still wanted to add my 2 cents in.  All my life I have had numerous rescue dogs.  Even when we were overseas we had a house full of rescued dogs and cats.  I have loved them all dearly and all were wonderful in their own special ways.  We had a weimereiner mutt who was beautiful and sweet and gentle, she wouldn't hurt a fly, but lacked in the intelligence department we still adored her, we had an aussie shephard mutt who was brilliant (house broke her self in 30 minutes after never being indoors before), and countless others that my mom and I would bring home.  I loved giving these dogs a fresh start and working with them  finding out their enjoyments and  capabilities.  Every animal has a special gift to give their owners if we allow them to have the safety and love to discover these gifts.  I despise the fact that there are so many operations that are willing to breed animals solely on profit and show no concern for the wellbeing of the puppies or dogs in their breeding program.  However that does not mean that pure breds should be "done away with".  For the first time in my life I have a pure bred dog, a shih tzu, I researched the breeder in depth even talking to other people who purchased from them.  I was even able to look at the bloodlines of their dogs and since I was unable to tour the home that they bred in (I was 7 months pregnant and it was a 4 hour drive) she was kind enough to indulge me with a live web cam tour of where the dogs were kept, the yard they played in, their kitchen with their dinner bowls, as well as any other room that was pertinent to the dogs.  I feel that there are wonderful breeders who are responsible and want to ensure the quality of their breed as well as the well being of their dogs. I am buying a new shih tzu puppy from another breeder who is local and I again have researched.  I have also spoken with a couple of breeders whom upon research showed to be less responsible.  I have noticed a few things that differentiate responsible breeders from the ones in it solely for the income

    Responsible breeders tend to:

    1 encourage a potential buyer to do all the research they can about that breed including potential health problems and necessities

    2 Allow potential buyers to meet at the very least the mother of the pups, and when possible the father as well, to get an idea for personality and conformation of the pups (of course not an exact science but an aggressive mother likely won't have laid back pups

    3. Be willing to show atleas tin pictures the premises and conditions the dogs are kept in from the "nest" they spend their first weeks to to a play room and where they are weaned.

    4. require to speak with the owners prior to promising any puppy to them regardless of a deposit.  This way they can guage what the potential buyer is looking for if they have dogs that meet their needs, as well as offer help in researching how to take care of a new puppy so they grow into healthy happy dogs.

    Irresponsible breeders tend not to care about any of the above things they are more concerned with getting their money than the actual welfare of the puppies.  These are the breeders that tend to foster situations of abandoned or neglected dogs.  Breeders are not bad at all, when they are responsible, in fact responsible breeders are often the first ones to notice a decline in any area of their breed be it conformation, health, or personality and seek to find the best pairings to offer the best their breed has to show.

    I would not trade my pure bred for any of my mutts, nor would I trade any of my mutts for my pure bred.  I love them all for differeing reasons.  When looking for a dog the personality and needs of both owner and dog should be mor eimportant than where it came from, what breed it is, and especially how much it cost.  Just because someone spend 1K on a dog doesn't mean that it is perfect, nor does getting a dog from a shelter mean that it is a trouble dog.  I would advise anyone looking for a new dog, and often do, to look into various breeds through the AKC site to get an idea what they are looking for in terms of personality, activeness and size.  Then goto a shelter and see some dogs there.  If you find something you are looking for perfect or not love knows no bounds, then talk with the people at the shelter about the dogs personality day to day how it has been handled.  Has there been any work done as far as training goes,  how do they play with the dogs, how often do they feed, handle, groom.etc. Get every bit of information possible and if it's the dog for you then by all means enjoy your new companion.  The same goes while looking at breeders, ask lots of questions, so many that you feel like you are being "obnoxious" and ask even more. The more information you have the better you are and the more responsible the breeder the more they will appreciate your curiosity and desire to learn.  Then enjoy your purebred.  There is no reason to feel guilty for not choosing a kennel dog if you don't find "the one" for you, but it's worth a look with out a doubt. :)

    ~Beth