The Pit Bull Ban: Yay or Nay

this document on page 5 has a good explanation of why breed specific legislation won't work and why dog bite statistics are flawed...

http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf

and no it is not a pit bull advocacy group. it is from the american veterinary medical association.

when i was a kid i used to watch the little rascals. i never saw petey maul any one of those kids. you cant tell me he didnt have opportunity. []

Someone will probably find something wrong with these sources because that person does not care for the information I am posting, but that is alright.

I did not even look at the information, so I have no bias based on the information.  Web sites and blog entries are not considered credible sources in any field of work on any side of a debate.  Someone's online diary shouldn't even be used as a source for an English 101 paper.  You believe it is appropriate to write legislature based on blog entries?  Imagine the precedent this sets....

The CDC documentation is a great example of the basic principle "correlation does not prove causation".  Their data provess no causation between breed and likelihood of attack and breed and inherent human aggression.  Besides, the authors of this article disagree with you and you are using their article in a way that they are advocating against!

Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog#%92s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, [fatal attacks] should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites.

when i was a kid i used to watch the little rascals. i never saw petey maul any one of those kids. you cant tell me he didnt have opportunity.

[sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]  So true, so true....love the Little Rascals!  Petey too!!

Ok...you know.....it get extremely old when people keep saying that I have not educated myself when I have. sooner, if you read the sentence of mine you quoted that says, "No, I did not not read your post because I didn't want to take the time.", it's saying that I DID read badrap's post.
 
Let's try this again...Good Lord...
badrap accused me of not reading her post because I didn't want to take the time. So I said, "No, I did not not read your post because I didn't want to take the time. Had I said, No, I did not read your post because I didn't want  to take the time, you (sooner) would be right. But again, things I did not say are being held against me. And in response to your statistics, look at how many fatal attacks are caused by pit bulls as compared to other breeds. Did you see the chart on the CDC .pdf file I posted? Look at the second one. Between 1979-'98, 118 Pit bulls attacked with fatalities as a result. And these statistics do not even include other dogs mauled and killed by pit bulls.

Did you see the chart on the CDC .pdf file I posted? Look at the second one. Between 1979-'98, 118 Pit bulls attacked with fatalities as a result. And these statistics do not even include other dogs mauled and killed by pit bulls.

I saw all the charts AND the conclusions offered by the professionals who analyzed them.  But, like I said, you're offering a procrustean bed.  Not only are you seeking evidence to support your conclusion (instead of seeking evidence to arrive at a conclusion), the "evidence" you are presenting opposes your opinion, yet you still believe it is credible to pick little pieces of it and think it's going to convince anyone?  That article was not published by the CDC nor was any data in it obtained by the CDC, so just because it's on their website doesn't mean the CDC supports what you are saying.  If anything, they are against it because they are posting articles in opposition to your claims.

ORIGINAL: IrishSetterGrl

Did you see the chart on the CDC .pdf file I posted? Look at the second one. Between 1979-'98, 118 Pit bulls attacked with fatalities as a result. And these statistics do not even include other dogs mauled and killed by pit bulls.

I saw this in your other post "Attacks by pit bulls accounted for about a third of the 238 fatal dog attacks in the United States during a 20-year study, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

Ok...you know.....it get extremely old when people keep saying that I have not educated myself when I have.

if the materials are hearsay, outdated, or flawed, what kind of education is that?

edit: have you bothered to read the information in any of the links posted by people with opposing viewpoints?

*shakes head* I'm going to quit discussing this, not because I'm "giving up" but because this has turned into everyone looking for little errors in my posts instead of actually discussing the issue at hand. Don't you see that when you make little comments like that and attack me personally and my dogs, it makes me NOT want to see your perspective of things? I don't see the purpose of making rude comments.
 
I'm done. My "stupid, doofy, brainless, couch-ruling, feather-headed and useless" Irish Setters want some attention.

And in response to your statistics, look at how many fatal attacks are caused by pit bulls as compared to other breeds.

and my reply, as stated previously, would be:

And since there are an infinite number of dogs who could fit the description of "pit bull types," some mistakenly, wouldn't that mean that the reports of pit bull type incidents would be larger?  In other words, statistically, the population of "pit bull types" is probably much larger, compared to say...my American Eskimoes or American Eskimo types, thus more incidents reported. 

This has been very interesting to say the least.  Now to every one against breed bans remember and get you counter evidence ready now because you will hear exactly the same statements and reasons for a breed ban when it is proposed in you community.
 
 
 

I'm going to quit discussing this, not because I'm "giving up" but because this has turned into everyone looking for little errors in my posts instead of actually discussing the issue at hand

all i have seen is people pointing out flaws with the research you are using to back up your information. you invited a debate. that is part of what a debate is ... making a point and someone making a counter point. part of making a counter point is calling into question information used to back up the original point of conversation.

i would like you to point out where in any of my posts i have attacked you or your dogs personally. i love irish setters. i think they are beautiful dogs and deserve a chance at life. just as pit bulls deserve a chance at life.

this has turned into everyone looking for little errors in my posts instead of actually discussing the issue at hand.

Actually, many of the posts were very informative,  and non-threatening to you and your dogs. 

You, as the OP, should have expected the response to the topic you posted to get intense.  If you have lurked here for a while before joining, you should have noticed the amount of people on this board who have pit bulls/pit bull types and their passion for their dogs.  To suggest a ban of the breed they so dearly love is inflammatory and hurtful...just as you have been hurt by comments regarding your dogs. 

One thing I do agree with you on is that this subject should be put to rest........

ORIGINAL: IrishSetterGrl

I don't see the purpose of making rude comments.

Says the person who has stated that my dog should be dead.....

I would never insult any breed, because I simply think that every dog has value, but it may be good to remember the saying "You reap what you sow."  Let out nasty comments and hate speech (which is what I personally consider comments against my dog as well as the other bully breeds around here), and you may just get back what you have given.

To be honest, I am hardly shocked that you would not look Sally in the eyes and kill her.  No, better to keep your own hands clean while you support such action from a safe distance, being a dog lover and everything.

In answer to your question yes, if there was an animal that was suffering and I had the ability to put it out of its misery, I would definately do so.  And yes, if I was ever in a position where I would need to inform a family that their child had been attacked, I would do that as well, no matter what the breed of dog was. 

I was attacked as a child by a GSD and know what it is like to be biten and the effects it has on the family as well.  My mother, who grew up with large dogs, became terrified of any dog larger than a mini dachshund as a result of what happened to me (although she quite likes Sally and Jack).  She actually passed out right in the ER when she saw my face.  Interestingly enough, she never pushed to have the dog PTS, nor has she ever spoken and nasty words against GSDs.....

To be honest, I am hardly shocked that you would not look Sally in the eyes and kill her.

 
I'm getting deeply upset at even the thought of this!!