Here we go again,,, bad dog law this time CA

    • Gold Top Dog

    Here we go again,,, bad dog law this time CA

    Cross posting permitted.

    The American Kennel Club (AKC) opposes California AB 1634. You should too !!! If you allow the "animal rights" extremists to legislate the end of pet dogs and cats today, birds and other animals will surely be on the chopping block tomorrow.....

    AB 1634 WILL NOT make any pets healthy in California. It WILL eliminate healthy, well socialized pets bred by responsible breeders.

    California AB 1634, which will require that all dogs and cats in California be spayed or neuter by the age of 4 months, unless specific limited exemptions exist, has been re-worked, and it has gotten even worse. There is a hearing on the bill set for April 10 in Sacramento. The Business and Professions Committee needs to hear from us that this bill is bad and needs to die !!! Help cut AB 1634 off at the knees and don't let it progress any further.

    Read the new text at the link below. Contact information is provided below.

    FAXES MUST BE RECEIVED BY TRACY RHINE TODAY (4/2/07) TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT.AS OPPOSING AB 1634. PLEASE FAX NOW !!
    SUBJECT - OPPOSE AB 1634
    TEXT - KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE - YOU CAN JUST SAY THIS IS A BAD BILL AND IT NEEDS TO BE DEFEATED
    If you don't want to see the end of the keeping of pet dogs and cats in California, and eventually the elimination of other pets, we need your letters, emails, faxes, and phone calls to the committee members to stop this bill. We also need people to attend the hearing.

    Information on the hearing from the Pet-Law list:

    1. Tracy Rhine, California Assembly Committee on Business and Professions Consultant, says AB 1634 will definitely be heard on Tuesday, April 10th, at the State Capitol Building, Room 447, in Sacramento. This room only holds 30 people. The meeting starts at 9 AM. Suggest you get there early before the "AR support groups" arrive.

    2. It is not known exactly what time *this* bill will be heard, and the meeting could go late into the afternoon.

    3. Dog fanciers will have buttons to wear. Look for the person who will be passing these out.

    4. We have also heard that 2 office fax machines are broken. I know, because I can't send my latest letters to Carter or Torrico. But, please continue to send your letters - both by fax and by postal service. One aide suggested hard copies because they measure the stack of papers - oppose vs support. Make sure letters are sent to ALL committee members.

    Tracy Rhine will accept letters until close of business, Wednesday. Also, make phone calls.

    5 - AKC's, Sarah Sprouse, spoke with Tracy Rhine, and she said that people do NOT need to submit *new* letters. AKC states that, " that will not be the case with our folks as the expected amendments are more burdensome, not less."

    Yes, thank you AKC for your support. WE NEED IT!!!!

    6 - The Assembly returns from recess on April 9th. AKC is preparing an updated alert which will be posted as soon as AKC receives a copy of the amendments from the author's office. This update will be sent to all of you.

    Diane Young McCormack
    Dachshund Club of America
    Canine Legislation Committee, co-chair


    Contact information for calls, letters, faxes and emails from the AKC website

    https://www.akc.org/canine_legislation/CA_action_center.cfm

    Assembly Business and Professions Committee
    ATTN: Tracy Rhine, Committee Consultant
    1020 N Street, Room 124
    Sacramento, CA 94249
    FAX: (916) 319-3306



    Business and Professions Committee Members:
    Assembly Republican Policy Consultant
    Business and Professions Committee
    Ted Blanchard
    1020 N Street (LOB), Suite 400
    Sacramento, CA 95814
    916-319-3902 (fax)


    Assemblyman Mike Eng, Chair
    State Capitol
    P.O. Box 942849
    Sacramento, CA 94249-0049
    TEL: (916) 319-2049
    FAX: (916) 319-2149
    [email=Assemblymember.Eng@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Eng@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblyman Bill Emmerson, Vice Chair
    TEL: (916) 319-2063
    FAX: (916) 319-2163
    [email=Assemblymember.emmerson@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.emmerson@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblywoman Karen Bass
    TEL: (916) 319-2047
    FAX: (916) 319-2147
    [email=Assemblymember.Bass@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Bass@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblywoman Wilmer Amina Carter
    TEL: (916) 319-2062
    FAX: (916) 319-2162
    [email=Assemblymember.Carter@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Carter@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblywoman Mary Hayashi
    TEL: (916) 319-2018
    FAX: (916) 319-2118
    [email=Assemblymember.Hayashi@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Hayashi@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblyman Edward P. Hernandez
    TEL: (916) 319-2057
    FAX: (916) 319-2157
    [email=Assemblymember.Hernandez@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Hernandez@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblywoman Shirley Horton
    TEL: (916) 319-2078
    FAX: (916) 319-2178
    [email=Assemblymember.Shirley.Horton@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Shirley.Horton@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblyman Bill Maze
    TEL: (916) 319-2034
    FAX: (916) 319-2134
    [email=Assemblymember.maze@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.maze@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblyman Curren D. Price., Jr.
    TEL: (916) 319-2051
    FAX: (916) 319-2151
    [email=Assemblymember.Price@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.Price@assembly.ca.gov[/email]

    Assemblyman Alberto Torrico
    TEL: (916) 319-2020
    FAX: (916) 319-2120
    [email=Assemblymember.torrico@assembly.ca.gov]Assemblymember.torrico@assembly.ca.gov[/email]



    From the Save Our Dogs website.
    [linkhttp://www.saveourdogs.net/ab1634.html]http://www.saveourdogs.net/ab1634.html[/link]
    AB 1634
    March 31, 2007
    Worse, Much Worse
    A new version of AB 1634 dated March 27, 2007 is available on the AB 1634 web site. Maybe you thought the previous version was ok because your dogs could get a permit. We told you they'd come after you next. They didn't wait long either.
    What's New: March 27, 2007 Draft
    Our fundamental objections to AB 1634 are unchanged. Mandatory spay/neuter doesn't work, hurts working dogs., and PETA will use it as a stepping stone to eliminate all pets. Spay/neuter, especially pediatric spay/neuter as required by this bill, has serious health consequences and should be considered by the pet's owner and their veterinarian on a case-by-case basis. The blanket statement that it improves pet health is false.

    In addition:
    Industrial breeders are exempt. If you aren't cranking out enough puppies to need a business license and Federal and State tax id numbers, you are done.
    No automatic exemption for ADBA, AKC, or UKC. Those of you who thought you got a pass are now in the boat with everyone else, dependent on the whims of your local animal control agency
    So you want to try to keep your puppy intact. To qualify for a permit he/she must have been shown within the past two years at a venue approved by your local animal control agency. It's a four month old puppy. Who shows baby puppies?!
    They sort of made one improvement. Once a future police patrol dog or guide dog enters training, they are exempt. But police dogs don't enter training until they are over a year old, so this is meaningless.
    Where do police dogs and guide dogs come from? Their parents must be spayed or neutered. I guess they come from the State approved puppy-mills.
    You jump through all the hoops and manage to keep your once-in-a-lifetime ideal bitch intact for a few years. You retire her from competition to let her be a mother. Two years later you must spay her because she hasn't competed in two years.
    Working stock dog? No exemptions. They are history.
    We thought the purpose of this bill was to reduce the number of animals euthanized in shelters. This draft grants a blanket exemption to industrial breeders. Small breeders who choose their stock carefully, breed a couple of litters every year or two, and personally interview every prospective new owner are doomed. So instead of a small number of well bred puppies in carefully selected homes, we now get State approved puppy-mill puppies available to one and all at your local mall.

    The San Francisco Dog Show sponsored by Golden Gate Kennel Club at the Cow Palace is one of only four all-breed benched shows left in the country. Well, make that three. Animal Control can stand at the door and slap every out of state entry with a $500 fine for not having an intact permit. Think anybody will enter? All other national and regional dog events will suffer the same fate.

    As bad as mandatory spay/neuter is, the thing that makes this bill so much worse is that everything is "in the sole discretion of the local jurisdiction or its authorized local animal control agency." That means every year when you go to renew your intact permit you are at the mercy of whoever is in charge at that time. So can you get a permit for your ASCA Aussie? Who knows? It depends on the whims of your local animal control agency. If your county says "No ASCA Aussies," you are out of luck because they have "sole discretion". That means they get to decide and nobody can do anything about it. In doesn't matter what they did last year or what another county does. They can do whatever they want. Don't forget that Ingrid Newkirk was an animal control officer.

    The bill is flawed at its core. It makes everything illegal and then tries to carve out a few exemptions. The result is bound to be haphazard. People find all kind of wonderful things that dogs can do. They never cease to amaze us. Any attempt to craft narrow exemptions for a few "blessed" individuals or organizations will certainly miss much of the great diversity of working dogs. It is bad law to say everybody is a criminal except for a special few.

    AB 1634 is bad law.
    _________________

    • Gold Top Dog
    Eegads. Good intentions gone terribly, terribly wrong.

    Here is a copy of the letter I sent to the representatives listed. Feel free to copy/paste anything if you're feeling lazy!


    As a resident of California, I wanted to register my opposition to AB1634, the bill requiring mandatory spaying/neutering of dogs or cats over four months of age without a special permit. If passed, this bill would encourage irresponsible breeding practices - the breeders who produce the best, healthiest animals have very few litters each year and would not be eligible for the special dispensation - which would certainly not lead to "healthy pets" but rather unhealthy, poorly-bred animals unsuitable to be kept as pets.

    Additionally, many sources are now suggesting that particularly for large breed dogs it is best to wait until the dog is over 1 year old before neutering so that the dog's bones develop as they should. 4 months is clearly too young an age to be enforcing sterilization.

    Furthermore, this bill would severely penalize the responsible purebred breeders and showers. These are not the people who are allowing their animals to run loose and contribute to overpopulation - these are people with a passion for animals, whose business is their animals, and who care very deeply about responsible pet care. Even worse, animals only temporarily entering the state of California, such as for a competition, would not be exempt from this bill. This would effectively prohibit any high-profile animal shows from ever being held in California. Passing this bill in California would be essentially saying to all purebred animal industries in the state, "We don't want you here - please take your businesses to a different state."

    While this bill was surely composed with good intentions meant to ensure the welfare of our domesticated animals, in practice it would be a disaster for the economy of the state and for the well-being of its animals.

    I hope you will seriously consider voting against this bill.

    Thank you for your consideration,


    • Gold Top Dog
    I also live in Cali and I read about this in Sac Bee and online I am a bit confused why so many people are against this bill?
     
    I read that registered breeding dogs can still be bred, just for a registration fee.
     
    Wouldn't this encourage responsible breeding, if breeders had to pay to have a license to breed them?
     
    Because I was thinking that it was a great law, since so many animals get PTS in shelters in California. But now since it seems like alot of you gusy against it I'm wondering if I'm missing something
    • Gold Top Dog
    Raja -
    Industrial breeders are exempt.


    Also, the young age of 4 months is pretty restrictive.

    I do think this bill is well-intentioned, but in practice I only see it encouraging "puppy mills" by making it much, much more difficult for small-scale responsible breeders to continue to function. And as everyone reminds us, responsible breeding isn't profitable anyway, so the added hassle and expense of obtaining permits for every dog you might possibly want to breed some time in the future seems to be an unfair and unnecessary burden, at least to me.

    Not to mention that out-of-state show dogs would still be required to obtain a permit, even if only staying in CA briefly for a show. Translation: nobody will want to host a major show in CA ever again.

    Plus the costs of enforcement, plus the inevitable corruption and politics involved with who gets permits and who doesn't...
    • Gold Top Dog
    I do think this bill is well-intentioned, but in practice I only see it encouraging "puppy mills" by making it much, much more difficult for small-scale responsible breeders to continue to function. And as everyone reminds us, responsible breeding isn't profitable anyway, so the added hassle and expense of obtaining permits for every dog you might possibly want to breed some time in the future seems to be an unfair and unnecessary burden, at least to me


    Yeah, this is the clincher for me.  Maybe if the bill was ammended so that the breeding licenses were cheap and ONLY obtainable by breeders who could provide accurate pedigrees, prove that their dogs have certifications for hips/elbows/whatever, etc...I dunno, just to somehow make it impossible for puppy mills and BYBs to get valid licenses.  But again, the administration of this would probably be impossible. 

    Maybe the state should just spend more on "low-pay spay" programs and a PR campaign to have owners speuter their pets?  Our Humane Society sometimes neuters cats for two dollars and we also have C-SNIP all the time that helps, but most people aren't aware of these programs.

    This is one situation where I don't see how being proactive as opposed to reactive is going to help.  The stupid people will keep buying puppy mill puppies just 'cause they're "AKC registered purebred" and the respectable people will get overlooked or sqaushed out because of costs.
    • Bronze
    The way this bill is written out it doesn't make sense, it even contains a typo ("speuter")!! It makes up to punish even the decent breeders. It allows Service Dogs to be intact when SD's should be the first to be neutered. An SD with hormones is not a level headed working dog that could be relied heavily upon by it's handler (whole point of an SD). An intact guide dog walking past a female in season... blind person is literally left to walk into traffic. If a dog is decent enough to use as a breeding dog for SD's it should be removed from working duty & used to breed only. The whole thing needs to be taken back to the drawing board. Go back to the general idea & work from there. In the long run no law is worth anything if there isn't the strength to enforce the law. CA law enforcement & AC can't even enforce the state wide leash law, how they could enforce this is beyond me. 85% of dogs at the park are unleashed. A lot of my neighbors don't even have their dogs licensed, dogs that are unknown & impossible to trace. This is ridiculous IMO.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have an issue with the AGE they're requireing dogs to be neutered. I, for one, would never neuter a dog before he was physically mature....a year at the earliest, 18 months, even better. Neutering a dog at 4 months scares the heck out of me, for health reasons. Yikes. [:o]
    • Bronze
    I agree on the age too, I wait 24 months the earliest myself. This thing was just thrown together, the people had no idea what they were doing... grrr