Dont let this happen to you

    • Gold Top Dog
    This thread...to the best of MY knowledge was to tell people about unethical breeders and share the experience someone had with one..specifically the issue with a "mentor" who did not do the best by the people involved.
     
    It started out nameless and educating...it has turned into more then that now. If you hadn't noticed I've edited the posts above. 
     
    Discuss the topic, do not throw stones, no naming anyone and by all means do NOT assume on any level or you will be speaking to me privately
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Either way, I think it underscores the importance of being VERY, VERY careful when it comes to any kind of breeding as well as asking for documentation, etc....
     
    There is also a lesson on breeder politics somewhere in there.....
    • Gold Top Dog
    Just for the lurkers, no truly responsible breeder would ask to breed their female to a dog that is unproven in competition or as a working dog. 
    Anyone who is considering breeding their dog, if it is titled or working, can find responsible breeders to mentor them through the national clubs for their breed.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I just wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of Tank.  I'm sure that he is running free right now, in a better place.

    To echo the real message being sent here:  If you are not planning on showing your dog in conformation please please have your dog altered.  There are truly too many dogs dying every day and many thousands more will die at shelters across the nation.  Pets should NOT be allowed to breed just for the sake of "the miracle of life." 

    Also if you have your pet altered, you'll never be in the dilemna posted above.  You'll never be asked to have your dog be a sire or a dam.


    • Puppy
    I have seen this story posted on many other dog forum sites ( and I have posted this on the same sites) and while I am very sorry for your loss I am concerned that the info in your story has several flaws.

    -Glaucoma is not and never has been a side effect of brucellosis. It is a genetic disease that is passed from the parents and would have rendered any offspring unfit to breed.

    - Any lab work sent to Cornell for testing has to be sent through a vet and not through the breeder. Furthermore the tests would have been sent by a veterinary control number and not by the breeders name. the only one that would know whose test it was is the vet. ( my brother works in the labs at Cornell)Also vet clinics can not tell you names of any other clients or patients. The other breeder would have had to take her dogs to Cornell herself in order for her name to come up on file and there would have been no need to do that if it was just for a blood test.

    - I have yet to see anything negative written by anyone else other than you about this situation. And most of those posts that you have made were pulled from the sites. Yet you claim that she is making these comments about you on other sites.

    - in some of your other posts you also stated that the other breeder showed you the negative results of her dogs test but in this post you stated that she won't show you. You can only have it one way.

    - I have never taken any of my pets to a vet that would take a dog to a back room for anything without my going with them. Any reputable vet would do everything in front of the owner. If your dog died in the back room of the vet clinic then I would have to say it is the vets fault not the other breeders. It was after all the vet that left your dog alone. and treated him without your permission.

    - you also stated in another post that has since been taken down and I Quote: ( necropsy results)
    "He organs showed no disease and were in excellent shape. The liver shown signs of shock as if sudden heart failure. .......All the people at Cornell + the Vet & pathologist who did the necropsy agree that the brucellosis played no part in his sudden death and wasn't even found during the necropsy. Whatever the vet did in GA to him is what caused his death. " ( direct from your post on pugnaround that was later pulled due to content)

    - No deaths have been reported with Brucellosis infection in dogs. And if the other breeders dogs were infected then the pregnancy would have aborted after about 45 days or they would have been infertile. Your dog if he really was infected could have gotten the disease at birth from the birth mother. it is carried through all fluids including mothers milk.

    If you insist that your dog was infected and you have said that he wasn't on several posts. Then he should have been euthanized to stop the spread along with testing any other dogs he has ever come in contact with. Brucellosis is a very serious accusation to make and not only could it lead to someone else losing all of there animals it could also lead to you losing yours. And if your accusations are not true it can also lead to a slander charge against you by this other breeder. If all you want is something done in the memory of you dog then just be honest and truthful. you don't want him to be remembered for all of this negativity. If you want to avenge his death then sue the vet clinic that was responsible for his death and move on. Again I am Sorry For your loss but keep his memory alive the same way that you would want yourself to be remembered
    • Silver
    ORIGINAL: allykat1198

    I have seen this story posted on many other dog forum sites ( and I have posted this on the same sites) and while I am very sorry for your loss I am concerned that the info in your story has several flaws.

    -Glaucoma is not and never has been a side effect of brucellosis. It is a genetic disease that is passed from the parents and would have rendered any offspring unfit to breed.

    - Any lab work sent to Cornell for testing has to be sent through a vet and not through the breeder. Furthermore the tests would have been sent by a veterinary control number and not by the breeders name. the only one that would know whose test it was is the vet. ( my brother works in the labs at Cornell)Also vet clinics can not tell you names of any other clients or patients. The other breeder would have had to take her dogs to Cornell herself in order for her name to come up on file and there would have been no need to do that if it was just for a blood test.

    - I have yet to see anything negative written by anyone else other than you about this situation. And most of those posts that you have made were pulled from the sites. Yet you claim that she is making these comments about you on other sites.

    - in some of your other posts you also stated that the other breeder showed you the negative results of her dogs test but in this post you stated that she won't show you. You can only have it one way.

    - I have never taken any of my pets to a vet that would take a dog to a back room for anything without my going with them. Any reputable vet would do everything in front of the owner. If your dog died in the back room of the vet clinic then I would have to say it is the vets fault not the other breeders. It was after all the vet that left your dog alone. and treated him without your permission.

    - you also stated in another post that has since been taken down and I Quote: ( necropsy results)
    "He organs showed no disease and were in excellent shape. The liver shown signs of shock as if sudden heart failure. .......All the people at Cornell + the Vet & pathologist who did the necropsy agree that the brucellosis played no part in his sudden death and wasn't even found during the necropsy. Whatever the vet did in GA to him is what caused his death. " ( direct from your post on pugnaround that was later pulled due to content)

    - No deaths have been reported with Brucellosis infection in dogs. And if the other breeders dogs were infected then the pregnancy would have aborted after about 45 days or they would have been infertile. Your dog if he really was infected could have gotten the disease at birth from the birth mother. it is carried through all fluids including mothers milk.

    If you insist that your dog was infected and you have said that he wasn't on several posts. Then he should have been euthanized to stop the spread along with testing any other dogs he has ever come in contact with. Brucellosis is a very serious accusation to make and not only could it lead to someone else losing all of there animals it could also lead to you losing yours. And if your accusations are not true it can also lead to a slander charge against you by this other breeder. If all you want is something done in the memory of you dog then just be honest and truthful. you don't want him to be remembered for all of this negativity. If you want to avenge his death then sue the vet clinic that was responsible for his death and move on. Again I am Sorry For your loss but keep his memory alive the same way that you would want yourself to be remembered



    First let me say that you are incorrect on all of your points and I can and would be very pleased to provide publicly my dogs medical records and reports from his numerous specialists, vets ETC that have provided expert statements for my civil caseas well as the charge of harassment that was thrown out by our local court Monday this "breeder" tried to have filed aganist me. Tank was used one time as a stud by her in March 2005. He did it only once and did not mate again and he was 5 years old.

    The admin of Pug-N-Round did not pull anything due to content-She is the one who exposed this breeder's lies to me and has become a dear friend. If it was pulled - I did it.

    Secondary Glaucoma was caused by Uveitis which is caused by Brucellosis-LOOK IT UP ONLINE OR ANYWHERE ELSE-IT IS TRUE

    This breeder claimed to use a reproductive specialist @ Cornell as her breeding dogs vet. She says this in each and every ad, breeding discussion and her website. She said she physically went to cornell every 6 months for her dogs check-up and testing.

    Of the last 10 litters this breeder has had she has lost 7 of them at about 50 days, still births in the others and other whelping probelms.

    There has not been one site that has pulled my posts about her and in fact-Pug N Round, Pugs.com, Pug Meet-up have all kept it up and I have support from almost every member and admin. I have not said her name myself-people have guessed it because her repuatation is already known by others.

    Her posts about me killing my own dog and the altered pics were taken down from pug-n-round because they were painful for me to see and completely untrue so the admin told me she would remove them.

    This breeder did show me negative results in March 2005 but i didnt verify them which was my mistake but this was my friend. Since I know Tank got it from her dogs and she denies it I am just asking to see and verfiy the test results she has recently claimed to have as proof. If she does why not show them to me, my lawyer or anyone so she can prove me wrong. She is lying about them thats why.

    This vet clinic in GA was trusted by our family for years. We saw this man and his son many times and when he said he was taking him to the back to give him some meds and to look at his eye under the OR lights I wasnt concerned. I will never again.

    HE DID NOT DIE OF BRUCELLOSIS ITSELF AND IF YOU READ IT AS THOURGHLY AS YOU ACT LIKE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT IT WAS

    Two months after his death CORNELL CALLED BECAUSE THEY FOUND BRUCELLOSIS IN THE DISECTED EYE THEY REMOVED IN MAY 2006 because of the Glaucoma caused by Uveitis caused by the BRUCELLOSIS. THE PROSTHETIC EYE PUT IN AFTERWARD WAS WHY HE WAS IN THAT CLINIC IN GA AND WHERE HE DIED. IF HE HAD NOT GOT BRUCELLOSIS FROM HER DOGS HE WOULD HAVE NEVER LOST THE EYE AND BEEN IN THE VET IN GA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

     The brucellosis wasnt found in the necropsy and technically played no direct role in his death but did indirectly. This was my friend who lied to me and conned me and betrayed our friendship. You dont know the half of it unless this is her.

    HE TESTED NEGATIVE BEFORE HE WAS BRED TO HER DOGS THE ONE TIME. HE WAS NOT MATED AFTER HER BECAUSE HE WAS A PET NOT A STUD. HE WASNT NEUTERED BECAUSE I WAS AFARID OF THE SURGERY.

    Your right it is a serious accusation and if she didnt have anything to hide she would provide her negative results to have them verified and could shut me up and go after me for slander. But guess what-she doesnt do anything but dig her hole deeper and now has the NY Department of Agiculture and SPCA to answer too.

    Now if there is anything else you want to tell me about my own dog, situation and life I suggest you get your facts straight. I can prove you wrong and would be happy to do so. I wonder if this is my ex-friend & the breeder I have been talking about who posted this. If I was lying why did a judge throw out her case of harassment aganist me and dismiss all charges . Because she saw the evidence and knows I am not making this up and I have the best civil case aganist her not the other way around. Also I am a witness to a fraud case aganist her for buying dogs under a fake name so she could breed full brother and sister without it being known by the original owner. This is another reason why she wants to amke it look like I am wrong. I cant help but notice how this is the one and only post your respond to. This breeder is a member here but under a different name.

    Let me know if there is anything else you want to say to me about this but be sure to get the facts straight beforehand.
    • Puppy
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: allykat1198

    "I have seen this story posted on many other dog forum sites ( and I have posted this on the same sites) and while I am very sorry for your loss I am concerned that the info in your story has several flaws.

    -Glaucoma is not and never has been a side effect of brucellosis. It is a genetic disease that is passed from the parents and would have rendered any offspring unfit to breed.

    - Any lab work sent to Cornell for testing has to be sent through a vet and not through the breeder. Furthermore the tests would have been sent by a veterinary control number and not by the breeders name. the only one that would know whose test it was is the vet. ( my brother works in the labs at Cornell)Also vet clinics can not tell you names of any other clients or patients. The other breeder would have had to take her dogs to Cornell herself in order for her name to come up on file and there would have been no need to do that if it was just for a blood test.

    - I have yet to see anything negative written by anyone else other than you about this situation. And most of those posts that you have made were pulled from the sites. Yet you claim that she is making these comments about you on other sites.

    - in some of your other posts you also stated that the other breeder showed you the negative results of her dogs test but in this post you stated that she won't show you. You can only have it one way.

    - I have never taken any of my pets to a vet that would take a dog to a back room for anything without my going with them. Any reputable vet would do everything in front of the owner. If your dog died in the back room of the vet clinic then I would have to say it is the vets fault not the other breeders. It was after all the vet that left your dog alone. and treated him without your permission.

    - you also stated in another post that has since been taken down and I Quote: ( necropsy results)
    "He organs showed no disease and were in excellent shape. The liver shown signs of shock as if sudden heart failure. .......All the people at Cornell + the Vet & pathologist who did the necropsy agree that the brucellosis played no part in his sudden death and wasn't even found during the necropsy. Whatever the vet did in GA to him is what caused his death. " ( direct from your post on pugnaround that was later pulled due to content)

    - No deaths have been reported with Brucellosis infection in dogs. And if the other breeders dogs were infected then the pregnancy would have aborted after about 45 days or they would have been infertile. Your dog if he really was infected could have gotten the disease at birth from the birth mother. it is carried through all fluids including mothers milk.

    If you insist that your dog was infected and you have said that he wasn't on several posts. Then he should have been euthanized to stop the spread along with testing any other dogs he has ever come in contact with. Brucellosis is a very serious accusation to make and not only could it lead to someone else losing all of there animals it could also lead to you losing yours. And if your accusations are not true it can also lead to a slander charge against you by this other breeder. If all you want is something done in the memory of you dog then just be honest and truthful. you don't want him to be remembered for all of this negativity. If you want to avenge his death then sue the vet clinic that was responsible for his death and move on. Again I am Sorry For your loss but keep his memory alive the same way that you would want yourself to be remembered"


     
    I'm tempted to take this post up, point by point, but it's just not worth it. Suffice it to say, the admin of PNA never took any of Lorri's posts down for content. Since the admin of that site is a good friend of mine and emailed me about the one post she took down at Lorri's request (and sent me the link to the soft delete so I could read it), I DO happen to have the inside story in that dept. Being that you made that assertion without all the facts or as an absolute falsehood, I would think the balance of your post is already tainted and not worth the time to rebutt.