When someone wants to keep your dog?Little Bitty Update;)(huskymom)

DougB

 

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 Jen is going to talk to the K9 handler at the OPP.  To see if he has any thoughts. 

The next step, if Clayton won't say anything, is to go to the media.  She put an ad on the local radio station, but just for a lost dog that may have been found a few months ago...nothing came of that.  I don't think she expected it would.  She has the Bill of Sale for Zia, as well as her papers, and vet bills pulled.  She has several people in different areas that might turn things up, looking out for Zia and/or someone with a newly aquired dog.  But so far, no Zia.

Candace, does Clayton have a bulletin board in his office lobby?  If so, I would make a Lost Dog poster with Zia's pic on it and post it there on their bulletin board.  It's very likely that her new owners bring her into his clinic, so that might be a way for it to be seen.

 Hmmm...I'll mention it to her Amanda.  It might be funny at the very least, to see Clayton squirm.

huskymom

 Hmmm...I'll mention it to her Amanda.  It might be funny at the very least, to see Clayton squirm.

I have real bitch tendencies....If I had an extra hour or two, I'd probably go sit in his waiting room with a pic to ask clients who were coming & going, if they had seen my dog.  Of course, I 'm usually kinda chatty, so it might *slip* that our vet knows who has my dog, but refuses to tell me where she is.  At this point, I'd do everything in my power to make Clayton's life hell, & to destroy his practice. 

huskymom

spiritdogs

It wouldn't be the first time, on this forum, that people actually suggested heisting a dog that was in a bad situation or not getting proper medical care (not saying this is happening in this instance, but sometimes, we don't even know when our friends are not all they seem.) 

I'm sorry, I really tried not to take offence to this statement, but I'm finding it hard.  I know you didn't really mean this situation, but can you honestly tell me that if you were to spend significant amount of time with someone, along with their dogs, see the behaviour and condition of the dogs and that person's demeanor regarding her dogs, that you would not know if something was so wrong a vet would want to remove the dog from that home?  I know I'm no where near as qualified as you are when it comes to dog behavior, but I'd like to think I would have noticed something. 

I'm sure you would notice something overt.  But, sometimes, vets notice other things, not so visible to you or I.  I don't necessarily think that is the case here, but you have to wonder why a vet would put his practice in jeopardy to conceal from one of his own clients the whereabouts of her dog.  Again, it just highlights the importance of training and ID, because if the chip is in there, even if the dog didn't hear you call "come", there's no denying that number.

 Well, again, Zia is tatoo'd, so once she is found, there will be no doubt about who she belongs to. 

Amanda, it may come to that shortly.  I'm honestly surprised it hasn't yet.  She's being more methodical than I would ever have imagined.  She's waiting on the change of ownership, which is being sent I think.  And talking to the K9 handler with the Provincial Police.  

We live in a pretty small place.  Even when we lived in the City, Jen brought her dogs here to Clayton for everything short of severe emergencies.  But everyone we know is completely flabbergasted about this.  At least everyone we've told.  Even the non-dog people.  Nobody would ever have thought Clayton would do this.  This was a two vet town for a long long time.  Clayton, and then Egli, who is the large animal vet.  Everybody that has ever had a pet, knows Clayton.

So anyway, there are things to consider.   Can anyone define Slander for me?  When does it become slander?  If and when she does go to the media?

huskymom

Can anyone define Slander for me?  When does it become slander?  If and when she does go to the media?

What's happening is not slander. Here's the definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slander

Just wondering if it would be prudent for your friend to ask a police officer to accompany her to the vet's office.  She has enough paperwork for a "legitimate" reason for the authorities to investigate which when combined with some of the legal info you have regarding the definition of theft, should count for something.  Sometimes the badge helps and sometimes too police can mediate. It would be worth the price of an appointment so that the vet can't say he is too busy to speak to them. 

Sometimes folks are a bit timid when it comes to asking something of the police or an official, but that is what they are there for.  Not everyone can afford a lawyer and IMO the media route could be ugly for everyone.  I think she did the correct thing to put the missing dog message on the local radio though.  Since receiving the info from the vet, she has correctly started a process that will serve her well down the road and will work well with the info provided by DougB.

 Zia has been located.  ***fingers crossed***  that things go smoothly.

 fingers/paws crossed over here! at least now that you know where she is - you could get the police involved if need be. hopefully - you wont have to go that route!

I haven't read all of the replies but just must say..

while I am a naturally laid back, passive person, I would raise hell if my vet told me that someone had MY dog and wouldn't give me their information. That vet is ridiculous and extremely unprofessional. I, too, would make other clients aware of what this vet is doing. Someone suggested putting a lost dog flyer at the vet's, which is a great idea...good luck to your friend.

huskymom

 Zia has been located.  ***fingers crossed***  that things go smoothly.

That is great!!  Any update?  I hope that she is able to get Zia home very very soon.

 Ok, well here is what I know right now. 

Jen is waiting until tomorrow morning, going to the cops, and will hopefully get a police escort to collect Zia.  

The guy that has her is a real trouble maker apparently.  This is why Clayton wanted to stay out of it.  He says he didn't put two and two together when Zia was first brought in, but thought of it later.  

The guy who has her, told Clayton that she just wandered onto his property and wouldn't leave, so he asked everyone nearby if they knew who she was, but nobody knew.  As it turns out, a friend of Jen's mom , lives next door to  him and heard nothing about her at all, so we're not inclined to believe this.  Also, conveniently enough, the guy's dad, lived 2 doors away from Jen at the time and this guy drove past Jen's house at least twice a day the whole time she lived there.  Her dogs were always outside with her, so if he had found a GSD, and was looking for her owners, he might think about checking at the house with 4 of them in the front yard?  I would think anyway.  

Lastly, the guy's dad is a convicted child molester.  Not sure how significant that is, but he has 3 kids, 2 of which do not talk to him anymore, this guy is the one that still does.  Hence the police escort.  

So good vibes would be very much appreciated for tomorrow morning, and in the days to come if this goes badly tomorrow...I don't see how it can, but sometimes you just never know.