Serial Killers

You had to be there to see for yourself, and if you were there, I guarantee that you would not have wanted to cross the street to the side where they were standing.

 
You know I saw the pictures and videos from the protests including the ones from the link posted earlier in this thread.  I didn't see gang warfare types involved.
 

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

and if you were there, I guarantee that you would not have wanted to cross the street to the side where they were standing.

 

I dunno about that Bob...since you mention cops were basically coming over and having discussions with you, and thus were present in force.
 
I'd see no harm in walking past someone on the street in that circumstance. Now walking past them saying things or holding a sign? Sure I see your point...but that's the case in ANY heated protest...comprised of ANY class of people. Heck I saw two old white homowners go at it at a HOA meeting on TV the other day! LMBO....
 
they needed to stay in their corners...but they didn't.
 
 

First of all , I can't understand why this point is so important to you, especially since I was actually there and you weren't,  and yet you are trying to explain to me what was going on and how  we should have felt according to you ...........[&:]  I am not going to get into a long debate with you regarding this, because in my opinion , it is pointless, and seems to be just an attempt to start an arguement.

ORIGINAL: timsdat

You had to be there to see for yourself, and if you were there, I guarantee that you would not have wanted to cross the street to the side where they were standing.

You know I saw the pictures and videos from the protests including the ones from the link posted earlier in this thread.  I didn't see gang warfare types involved.

Another person that wasn't there but knows what was goin on...... LOL

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

 
I'd see no harm in walking past someone on the street in that circumstance. Now walking past them saying things or holding a sign? Sure I see your point...but that's the case in ANY heated protest...comprised of ANY class of people. Heck I saw two old white homowners go at it at a HOA meeting on TV the other day! LMBO....
 
 
 

 
Sorry, but I'm not seeing where Bob suggested this was class or race related. He said they looked like they were ready for a "gang war". This does not have anything to do with class or race. I assumed that he meant they looked really riled up and aggitated....

actually Bob...YOU said the cops were speaking with you...so I assume there were there? LOL...
Much of your opinion and input on this makes a lot more sense now...so thanks.[]
 
 
Ark...of course it doesn't.

gang warfare types dont dress a certain way, you wouldnt know it to look at them... look at the riot videos from San Fran... or any other riot in history.. hell, look at the Boston Massacre!
it isnt a look, or a race its a mindset. its the "F U, Buddy, i'm gonna make an example out of you" attitude.
if someone is shouting and cussing and getting mad because their favourite ball player is being indicted for animal cruelty then .... no... i dont want to be anywhere near him. and yes i do believe someone who fails to see the wrong in breaking the law (ANY LAW) and brutally killing an animal would also fail to see the wrong in committing any other crime himself if he had the chance.
and now because i said "he" so many times i would imagine some might think i hate men...nope. i think women are just as capable of the same attitude malfunction.

its not always a cut and dried situation. there is one extreme to the other.
the people of the world today are indeed desensitized to violence and vulgarities and its bound to get worse.
we might be able to stop some of it, but i think the flood gates have already been opened....
people are questioning traditional laws that are based on MORALS and religion and nothing more....
the logic is "i'm not hurting anyone but myself, and its my dog, my property, and none of your business"

but i think the flood gates have already been opened....
people are questioning traditional laws that are based on MORALS and religion and nothing more....
the logic is "i'm not hurting anyone but myself, and its my dog, my property, and none of your business"

Dogs as property and expendable is not a new concept, at all. If anything, our culture has been changing the other way, towards seeing dogs not as "its" but as "hes and shes" and not property, and not expendable. And how to account for all the atheist dog lovers on this board if questioning traditional religion has anything to do with animal cruelty.

religion doesnt have much to do with cruelty in any form. if thats what i implied then it wasnt intended.
my point was  a lot of our laws are based off a religion.
many people still hold to the fact that dogs are property and wont change their minds on it, religious or not.
and a lot of people will always put other people before an animal.

i love my dogs dearly but if my house was on fire and my kids and dogs were inside, i would save my kids first.
if a house was on fire and a strange person and dog were inside i would save the person.
i have a security guard friend that found a car flipped over in a ditch. he helped the driver out and asked if she was ok... the first thing she said was "where is my dog?" he said "Dont care about the dog, ARE YOU OK?"
the dog was what caused her to wreck the car. it was a stray she picked up, it attacked her then jumped out the window. she had a fractured skull and a broken arm but still asked about the dog.
different strokes i guess.
i sometimes wonder.... what do psychologists say about misanthropic people?
or the ones who prefer the companionship of animals and absolutely totally hate all human beings? THOSE people make me a bit nervous... they wouldnt harm their furry friends but they wouldnt mind disemboweling a person.

OK, I am going to throw a wench into the works a bit....

I heard the interview that Bob is talking about, and I got something a little different out of it.  The individual being interviewed DID make a clear connection between animal abuse and serial killers.  However, I did not feel that he was saying that dog fighting leads to someone becoming a serial killer.  The general topic of the interview was animal cruelty, with a specific emphasis on dog fighting.

The law enforcement offical DID however, point out that dog fighters are *very* likely to be involved with other crimes.  THIS claim has significant evidence to back it up.  Many dog fighting operations are stumbled upon during drug raids, etc.  Often raids on dog fighting rings yeild LOTS of illegal drugs, weapons, etc.  Many dog fighters are also gang members, most of whome have had to commit a violent crime just to be allowed into the gang, and who continue to commit various crimes, violent and otherwise, once they are in a gang.  The guy said that he wanted officers to understand that they needed to break up these groups, even if they didn't care about the dogs, because the individuals that participated were so often so heavily involved in other crimes that they were getting a dangorous person off the street regardless.

The individual being interviewed has really done his homework on dog fighting, and works very hard to make other police officers understnd the crime and why they should make it their business to stop it.  He stated that many of the training videos that he sent to police departments on dog fighting have been sent back, as the officers watching it were so disturbed by the images. 

I have, personally, had the misfortune of knowing a dog fighter for a while.  One of my coworkers started dating a guy whose family are well known by the local Humane Society for their crimes.  I didn't know what his family was into at the time (there were always rumors though).  I can tell you that the guy was dealing drugs with two small daughters at home, got my coworker into drugs (she was fired soon after), and broke into the office at our work.  I also knew other members of his family--trust me folks, these were not good people.  And for all those who may think I am taking a racial angle on this--this family was white.

ETA--One very important point of the interview that I need to include.  The officer interviewed did state that he believes dog fighting is a crime against humanity, which I agree with 1000%.  His reasoning was that it is damaging to sociaety for young people to grow up thinking that horrific violence for the sake of entertainment is OK.

The law enforcement offical DID however, point out that dog fighters are *very* likely to be involved with other crimes.

 

No squabbles with that here. It's a fact.
 
But being a gang member, organized crime kingpin, and serial killer are totally different things. That phrase denotes a super super specific sort of act, motivation, and person, studied out the whazoo by many experts, with many degrees, that all concur on the criteritum,.
 
BOTH may kill a human being...or more than one...but the mental processes...which seem the basis of this "talk" are completely...totally different.
 
THAT is why I disagree and think  that mentioning Vick and serial killers in the same room, without knowledge of his childhood, and a full psychactric screening at our fingertips,  is taking a huge leap. A leap anyone here is free to make...but one that is frightening to me personally.

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

The law enforcement offical DID however, point out that dog fighters are *very* likely to be involved with other crimes.

 

No squabbles with that here. It's a fact.
 
But being a gang member, organized crime kingpin, and serial killer are totally different things.

You're right--serial killers usually have lower body counts.

Again, I just want to make it clear that I do not believe at that was what the person being interviewed was saying.  My husband heard it too and he agrees.  I do not want the *very* valuable message that this individual was trying to get across to be lost in the forum static.

They're less common too! LOL...
 
I hear you...I also think I can hear the message..which is and pretty much always has been "dog fighting is horrificly bad and the people who do it are criminals who are bad influences on society, that deserve to be put away, and seldom are worth shedding one single tear over unless you are thier Momma and perhaps not even then."
 
I don't think the above was ever in doubt here on the forum...just have a lot of people here who know a bit about psychology (myself most definitely NOT included lol) and don't want misinformation spreading.

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

 
Ark...of course it doesn't.

 
That's not the impression I got from you previous post where you stated "I'd see no harm in walking past someone on the street in that circumstance. Now walking past them saying things or holding a sign? Sure I see your point...but that's the case in ANY heated protest...comprised of ANY class of people. Heck I saw two old white homowners go at it at a HOA meeting on TV the other day! LMBO.... "
 
Your post made it sound like Bob was referring to a specific class or race of people because he mentioned "gang". The fact that you made a point to mention the "white" homeowners suggested that white people don't get into confrontations as frequently as...I dunno... other races? Why did it matter if the homeowners were white? Lets be careful about what we write or specify....
 

FBI estimates that there's only about 35 serial killers active in the United States at any given time.

Ark, thanks for the input.
 
Houndlove only 35! In the whole United States...lol. (raises hand)
 
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