Would Love Some Advice

ORIGINAL: DumDog

i would guess that she bred them on purpose but she didnt know the gestational period for puppies, got tired of waiting on no results.. and got rid of the dog too soon. a month after getting the dog.. it has puppies...

That's what I think happened too. It was my first thought when I read how the lady matter of factly said that the golden Cocker was the father.

You know, that makes perfect sense....

Wow; you may have saved her from a future as a puppy mill dog.  Poor kiddo!

Please consider microchipping the pups before they go to their new homes.  AVID has a breeder's program where I think you can have yourself permanently listed as contact.  I realize you don't consider yourself a breeder, but that is the program you need to call and ask about.
http://www.avidmicrochip.com 
 
Below is a bunch of info.  I hope you find at least some of it useful.  
 
Care of Newborn Puppies and Kittens
www.animaldefenseleague.org/newborn.htm

Care of Mother Dogs and Puppies
www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/whelping2.htm 
 
Breeding, Whelping, and Rearing Puppies FAQ
http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/dogs-faq/medical-info/whelping.html 
 
Early Neurological Stimulation
http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/achiever.html 
 
Critical Periods in a Dog's Life -- Developmental Stages:
http://westwingsess.com/critical_stages.htm
http://www.dogclub.co.uk/advice/puppygrowth.php 
 
Get the pups used to being touched everywhere.  This includes the ears, the feet, the mouth, the rectum, and the private parts.   This will make vet visits easier and will help to keep the pup from being scared by children. 
 
Putting collars on pups very early helps in leash training.  One Basenji breeder uses stretchable knit collars with little tabs.  In play the puppies pull each other by the tabs, so they don't panic when a leash is first put on them.
 
One forum member sends her 10-week pups home knowing how to skate board.  I doubt you want to do that, but using clicker training and lots of patience, you can start training your pups as soon as they open their eyes.
http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=310452 
 
The more socialization you can do with the pups the better off they will be (see link below).  If they are carried most of the time, put down only on concrete, kept away from other dogs, and held only by people who have just washed their hands, taking them out to view the world before they complete their puppy shots holds a minimum of risk.  Lack of socialization is a greater overall risk than the risk of disease from a lack of puppy shots (if you are careful).
 
Socialization - IMPORTANT - primary socialization window closes at 12 weeks (secondary at 16 weeks):
http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=296270 
 
House training:
http://forum.dog.com/discus/messages/48/117345.html#POST400222 
 
If the new puppy owners are first time puppy owners, here is some info that you could recommend to them:
http://forum.dog.com/asp/m.asp?m=296285 
 
A Letter from Your Puppy - give to new owners
http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=328401 
 
Canine Reproduction and Puppy Care (Yahoo group)
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CanineRepro-PuppyCare 
 
Lee, Muriel, The Whelping and Rearing of Puppies: A Complete and Practical Guide, 12/1997
http://tinyurl.com/7x3he  (Amazon.com link)

Rangeraire Vision
How to Raise a Litter of Puppies (DVD)
http://rangeairevision.com/educational/puppies.php

DumDog

i would guess that she bred them on purpose but she didnt know the gestational period for puppies, got tired of waiting on no results.. and got rid of the dog too soon.

It could have been even simpler than that.  With no knowledge of gestation periods or heat cycles, she may have just stuck the dogs in the backyard and waited for puppies.  That could have left her clueless as to whether or not the dogs had bred or not.  But, yeh, I think she may have gotten tired of waiting for puppies.
 
The story of Reesee not bonding with her family may have been a cover for "Yeh, she is intact, but we haven't seen any puppies."

Wow, you really got in it. o.o

That poor girl, I think it's nice how the woman could be so willing to get a puppy from a bitch that she didn't even want. Haha. That puts the icing on the cake. It's like she just needed you to whelp puppies she probably had an idea would be born. I wouldn't even let her in the door.

Best of luck to you, Reesee and the puppies.

NC_cockermama, here is some info on Coccidia, intestinal worms, and heartworms.  First, the previous owner was probably not responsible for the Coccidia and only partially responsible for the roundworms (see link below).  Reesee did and still does have roundworms encysted in her tissues (see link below).  She was probably born with them and her previous owner did not properly worm her to keep them under control - or put her on a heartworm "preventative" like Interceptor or Heartgard Plus that take care of intestinal worms.
 
You have enough to deal with right now, so I won't go into a lot on heartworms right now except to say you need to get Reesee retested in 6 months. 
 
Your pups have gotten and/or will get roundworms from Reesee - no if's, and's, or but's.  The dewormer you gave her got rid of the roundworms in her intestinal tract, but not the ones encysted her tissues.  Reesee should be wormed again now and each time you worm the pups at 2, 4, 6, and 8 weeks.  The last link below gives a relatively inexpensive way (Safe-Guard liquid/paste - Fenbendazole) to do this if the vet hasn't already given you stuff for this.  A bottle of Safe-Guard will probably look expensive until you start pricing other stuff.
 
Coccidia
www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1622&articleid=727

PetEducation.com

Coccidia are small protozoans (one-celled organisms) that multiply in the intestinal tracts of dogs and cats, most commonly in puppies and kittens less than six months of age, in adult animals whose immune system is suppressed, or in animals who are stressed in other ways (e.g.; change in ownership, other disease present). 

Roundworms
www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1622&articleid=762

PetEducation.com

Roundworms, often called 'ascarids,' are the most common parasite of the digestive tract in dogs and cats. Most puppies are infested with roundworms and when we look at the life cycle, we will understand why.

Larvae through the uterus: A pregnant *** that has T. canis encysted larvae in her tissues can pass them to her puppies in two ways. The larvae that were dormant in her tissues can migrate through the uterus and placenta and infect the fetal pup. This is called in utero transmission. The larvae enter the lungs of the fetal pup. When the pup is born, the pup will cough up the larvae and they will mature in the pup's intestine. This is why so many puppies have roundworms – they are infected before they are born.
 
Larvae through the milk: Larvae can also enter the ***'s mammary tissues. The puppies can become infected through the milk while nursing. The swallowed larvae mature in the pup's intestine. If the larvae are passed out in the pup's *** before they can mature, they can infect the mother when she licks her pup. 

Canine Intestinal Worms and Inexpensive Treatment
www.beaglesunlimited.com/beaglehealth_canineintestinalworms.htm

BeagleSunLimited.com

Because pups may start passing eggs as early as day 21 of life, the first treatment must be administered before this age.  Since reinfection is common from the environment as well as in the mother's milk, treatment must often be repeated every two weeks until the pups are 49 days old.  In practical terms, this means treating pups at 2, 4, 6, and 8 weeks of age.  Bitches should be treated at the same time as the pups since they are most often the source of the pups infection. 

Instead of buying and using only dog/puppy dewormers, I use the Safe-Guard 10% suspension horse/cattle dewormer. 

The recommended dosage of this exact product and strength for canines is 1 ml (which contains 100 mg active ingredient) per 5 lbs of Beagle bodyweight. For example, a 25 lb Beagle would receive 5 ml (same as 5 cc or 1 teaspoon) per day for a 3 day period (total 3-day treatment consists of 15 ml which is the same as 15 cc or 1 tablespoon).  As long as all pups are eating and equally active, I deworm each litter at 2, 4, 6, and 8 weeks. 

I do agree.  She was very quick and very nonchalant about stating that her cocker was the father.  Part of me wants to believe she was doing the right thing by rehoming Reesee, whom she no longer wanted, because she ended up with me.  The other part of me thinks that she took my kindness and adoration for this dog as naivety. 
 
The vet did explain to me both the coccidia and the round worms scenario.  Once her heartworm test came back negative on Monday of last week, I gave Reesee a dose of heartworm prevention as instructed.  Her vet explained that it would also curb reinfection of intestinal worms and that it, along with Frontline, would give her the best protection.  Because it was evident that she was an outside dog, she will be retested in the future, especially because heartworm exposure within the last 4 months would not be detected during this screening.
 
The previous owner was basically a home based puppy mill.  I searched through area classifieds (I live in Charlotte NC), and I found that the woman who is listed as the breeder on Reesee's CKC papers sells many small and toy breeds and has multiple ads.  All of the pictures of the pups are visibly in metal crates with newspaper lining the floor.  I wouldn't doubt that Reesee was mistreated, if not downright used and neglected, by this owner.  Reesee is a cocker with beautiful markings.  She is chocolate brown, with orange markings on her face, and beautiful "sun-kissed" markings on her feet.  She does live up to her name, as she resembles a peanut butter cup.  None of her pups have her coloring.  I almost wonder if her markings are maybe a recessive gene and upon breeding her, the breeder didn't get succesful results, so no longer wanted her.
 
It does bother me, this whole scenario.  Bottom line is I have a "scarred" dog who took my heart from the moment I laid eyes on her.  While it has been trying, I get the joy of introducing love into her life.  I'm in it for the long haul.  I also want what's best for these puppies because I would hate to know that my actions have only contributed to the problem of mistreated pets. 
 
The main reason why I wanted a dog instead of a puppy is because I wanted to find one with an awesome personality that just needed lots of love.  While puppies are cute, I have witnessed too many people push them to the side and neglect them once the novelty of the puppy wears off. 

Do you have in hand the registration papers on your girl?  If not, the whole question is a bit pointless.  If SHE has the papers, you'll have to deal with her further, and even if you DO have them, well, the stud owner has to certify the breeding so that's further contact with someone you'd just as soon avoid.  This is part of registering the litter which you must do, and you must provide the AKC names and numbers for the bitch and stud.  Once the litter is registered you'll receive the individual papers for each pup.
 
I personally would not agree to NOT receive my papers until the pup is nuetered.  The suggested age for nueter is a minimum of 6 months (yes, many shelters do early spay/nueter but that's a whole nother conversation).  In that I've already PAID for the nueter with my deposit, well, then I'm going to wonder why the heck you are placing a pup with someone you don't trust enough to live up to a signed contract?  Maybe I'm just really prickly about stuff like that, but I want my dogs papers when I want them.  Not after I jump through hoops that I've already paid for.
 
Sham, you cannot show a dog that has been altered.  Not in conformation.  The whole purpose of the conformation ring is to prove you dog worthy of being bred, to prove him/her an ideal representative of the breed.  Not much point in proving a pup to those standards who is not capable of reproducing.
 
I guess I'm a little torn on registering at all.  It almost seems like the birthright of a purebred pup to have his/her papers, not that they care.......but in this situation, it might be a better thing to NOT register.
 
Now, can we PLEASE have pictures?  Momma sounds absolutely stunning.

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NC_cockermama

I found that the woman who is listed as the breeder on Reesee's CKC papers sells many small and toy breeds and has multiple ads.

I just want to be sure that this is not a typo.  Reesee's papers are from CKC as in Continental Kennel Club? 

Yes, she is Continental Kennel Club registered.  I have her papers.  And, I will upload pictures as soon as I can.

would guess that she bred them on purpose but she didnt know the gestational period for puppies, got tired of waiting on no results.. and got rid of the dog too soon.
It could have been even simpler than that. With no knowledge of gestation periods or heat cycles, she may have just stuck the dogs in the backyard and waited for puppies. That could have left her clueless as to whether or not the dogs had bred or not. But, yeh, I think she may have gotten tired of waiting for puppies.

The story of Reesee not bonding with her family may have been a cover for "Yeh, she is intact, but we haven't seen any

 
I think you're right. I may have given the former owner too many brains for calling her deceitful. Ignorant is more likely the word. When it appeared to her that no breeding had taken place, out with the dog since it didn't make her any money. And now she want's a pup? No doubt to inbreed the line even further.

Isn't CKC the one where you can register just about anything so long as you have the registration fee?  Or is that UKC?  I get the two mixed up.
 
AKC does have the best (altho somewhat tarnished due to puppy mills) reputation while some of the others are just a fast and dirty way to provide "papers".  I'm afraid the process I described is for AKC....I have no idea what it would be with the others.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Isn't CKC the one where you can register just about anything so long as you have the registration fee?  Or is that UKC?  I get the two mixed up.

Yeah, that's the Continental Kennel Club. I wouldn't even bother registering with them personally.

oi...
i'm kinda late in this.
just wanted to say i'm very sorry you and reesee had to go through this. i have no advice, as i have no experience with puppies. i just wish you, reesee and the pups all the best. moca and jason are sending doggy kisses!
just keep in mind, whatever questions you have, this is always a good place to get advice, information and moral support!