Would Love Some Advice

    • Gold Top Dog

    Would Love Some Advice

    This is all new to me and I was hoping for some guidance.  A little over a month ago, I purchased a 2 yr. old female cocker spaniel named Reesee from a lady that advertised her in the local classifieds.  The lady sold her to me for $100 stating that she couldn't keep her because Reesee had too much emotional baggage.  She stated that she had purchased Reesee from a breeder who no longer wanted anymore and that the dog was not attaching to the members of their family, so she didn't want her either. 

    When I first laid eyes on my baby girl, I wanted to give her all the love she deserved.  My husband and I worked together with crate training (she had been an outside dog with the previous owner), placing her on a comfortable routine, and ridding her beautiful chocolate coat of hundreds of fleas.  Three weeks into this, Reesee was beginning to show happiness and even a little confidence.  Then she began vomiting and having diarrhea. 

    The vet examined her and told me that she had both coccidia and round worms.  I decided to get a full blood panel drawn to make sure she didn't have anything else going on.  We went home with antibiotics and a de-wormer, some Frontline and Heartguard.  A couple of days later, Reesee was beginning to feel better. 

    Then, last Wednesday, she was displaying odd behavior.  Excessive panting, pacing, several accidents on the carpet, and she wasn't connecting with me at all.  She would eat; not even her favorite treats.  Around midnight that night, she began whimpering and howling.  I knew that she had previously been bred, so I assumed that's why her nipples seemed a little large.  But when I felt her belly, it felt like she was having contractions.  I pushed a little deeper into her belly.  Sure enough, I could feel puppies kicking.  By 3am, Reesee had 3 boy puppies. 

    I was not only exhausted for the next couple days, but I was also a little angry.  I was angry that she had to go through that pain.  I was angry that I didn't even realize she was pregnant, and neither had the vet.  It was awful enough to me that she had been infested with worms, flees, and bacteria.  I justified it all with the fact that she was in better hands now.  But puppies too?  It was a little overwhelming and still is.

    I emailed the lady that I purchased her from to find out what type of dogs she could have been exposed to in the last week of May.  The lady responded stating that the father was her golden colored cocker spaniel whom they absolutely love and could they "please, please, please have one or at least see them as her daughter is so excited...."  This is the same woman that did not want Reesee because she wouldn't "connect", and she expects me to let her have on of her puppies?!

    Because they are full blooded cocker spaniel, I know that I could eventually sell them.  Whatever I decide to charge will end up helping to cover vet bills incurred, as well as the tail docking from yesterday and the puppy shots at 6 weeks.  I just really feel torn.   After seeing the negative emotional effects on Reesee from being bred and then no longer wanted, I am kind of disgusted by this whole scenario.  I don't even want to send in for registration papers because I almost feel like it is perpetuating the problem of irresponsible breeding and puppies whose lives have price tags on them.  We plan to spay Reesee as soon as this is all over. 

    I know I have rambled, but what I really need help with is how best to handle this whole situation, maybe from those who have been there before.  Thank you!
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    You bought the dog...you owe the woman who sold her to you NOTHING. Take care of Reesee and her pups as best you can, given that you were presented with an unexpected situation. When the time comes, do you utmost best to find them good homes...there are people here who can tell you what questions to ask of potential puppy buyers. Don't even call the woman who sold you Reesee back....they do NOT deserve another dog, who could well end up not wanted in 2 years and sold on to someone else.

    If it were me, I would not register them. I would also require that all the pups are neutered by signing a contract with any buyers.
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    First, no shots until at least 9 weeks and then ONLY parvo and distemper.
     
    Second, whether you register them or not, I'd only place these pups as pet quality and on a strict neuter contract with a sufficient deposit to pay for the surgery....that pretty well insures that it gets done.
     
    You do need to charge an adoption fee for the pups......FREE usually means worthless, so do place a value on the pups.
     
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    You owe the woman who sold you Reese nothing. If I were you, I wuold contact your local cocker rescue organization and get their help in screening puppy buyers, since you're not experienced at this (or, at least, have not mentioned that you are). 
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    That is awful! Please please please do not give that person a puppy. Don't even let her see the puppies. What a horrible person to 1) not fix her dog, 2) sell it because she didn't want it anymore and 3) not give it basic medical attention!
     
    Either sell the pups or contact a shelter - probably best to contact the breed rescue instead as those pups will probably be adopted out faster that way.
     
    Good luck! 
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    No way should that irrisponsible woman get one of the pups -- sounds to me like she KNEW the dog was or could be pregnant, and she didn't want the hassle or expense of going through the whelping, so she passed her along to you to do all the difficult, exensive stuff and now she wants a perfect little puppy.  You know perfectly well she is not a responsible owner from the condition of that poor dog when you took her.  NO WAY does she deserve a puppy!  You have a responsibility to find quality, loving homes for those puppies.  Don't let anyone guilt you into doing anything less.  Tell her no, and be firm about it. 
     
    I agree, contact cocker rescue and they may help you care for the babies, screen puppy buyers, or even take responsibility for finding homes for the pups. 
     
    Pups should stay with mama and littermates for a minimum of 8 weeks, 10 is better if you can swing it.
     
    And make sure all those puppies go home with spay/neuter contracts! 
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    Thank you all for the good info.  I would never give that woman one of Reesee's puppies, I guess I just am having a hard time finding a way to tell her "NO WAY" in a nice way. 
     
    I found extremely helpful the points about contacting a local cocker rescue for tips on finding suitable homes and especially the one regarding requiring a neuter deposit with a vet.
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    [sm=angel.gif]Welcome to the forum. You are an angle in my books![sm=angel.gif]
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    You want to collect and hold the deposit yourself.  When we were breeding, the spueter deposit actually went into a special account and when the time came I would either directly pay the vet in advance, OR send a check to the owners once they provided proof of spueter.  Too easy to get a vet to "agree" to something that isn't actually done if it isn't one you know.  Hold the deposit yourself.
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    I can't believe all you have been through with poor Reesee. She is so lucky you found her! I cannot believe someone would take such poor care of a pet. Take care of those pups, and find them good homes. Let us know!
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    Lucky dog to have you. So glad you are caring for this Cocker Spaniel. I agree with all of the above. Tell the lady you found new owners already. She need not see the pups. Poor dog deserves someone to care for her finally. Good lucky with everything!
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    Wow! What an interesting story! First off, the lady who sold you Reesee doesn't deserve anything. I would tell her "No, you can't have nor see the puppies" and if she asks "why?" then I would say "You weren't interested enough in Reesee to properly maintain her health and you said you weren't feeling a connection between the two of you so there's no reason for you to have anything to do with her offspring" and then I'd hang up on her. The nerve of some people! Anyways, if I were you, I would not register these dogs and if anything, I'd sell them at a price that would cover your expenses and the price of a neuter. The best way to guarantee that they'll be neutered is to pick a vet who will do an early neuter at a reasonable price and explain to potential owners that part of their purchase price is going to the neuter of the pup. You will drop off the pup at the vet, you will pay the vet and the new owner is to pick up the pup from the vet's. This way, you'll know for sure that the pup won't be irresponsibly bred in the future. Good luck in your situation and keep us updated. [:)]
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    I guess I just am having a hard time finding a way to tell her "NO WAY" in a nice way.

     
    Benedict and Glenmar gave great advice and it sounds like you already have the right thinking about this whole matter. As far as telling the deceitful lady no, just say no. That you are not in the habit of giving away dogs willy nilly and you always consider carefully who gets a pup. Then drive it home again with "the answer is no." She may not like but sorry about her luck. She gave you a pregnant dog without telling you about it. And she allowed a breeding under uncontrolled circumstances.
     
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    Wow! That lady has some nerve! I agree with everyone else. No puppy for her, spay/neuter contract on the pups, and good luck and welcome!
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    ORIGINAL: meilani

    Wow! What an interesting story! First off, the lady who sold you Reesee doesn't deserve anything. I would tell her "No, you can't have nor see the puppies" and if she asks "why?" then I would say "You weren't interested enough in Reesee to properly maintain her health and you said you weren't feeling a connection between the two of you so there's no reason for you to have anything to do with her offspring" and then I'd hang up on her. The nerve of some people! Anyways, if I were you, I would not register these dogs and if anything, I'd sell them at a price that would cover your expenses and the price of a neuter. The best way to guarantee that they'll be neutered is to pick a vet who will do an early neuter at a reasonable price and explain to potential owners that part of their purchase price is going to the neuter of the pup. You will drop off the pup at the vet, you will pay the vet and the new owner is to pick up the pup from the vet's. This way, you'll know for sure that the pup won't be irresponsibly bred in the future. Good luck in your situation and keep us updated. [:)]

     
    Awesome idea.  Thanks!  I read about early neutering a few days ago and planned to ask my vet if he believes it is a good idea.  Also, glenmar's idea had me thinking that I could offer a refund towards the neuter upon the honoring of an adoption agreement.  I'm so glad I posted here.  Thank you all again.  Especially for making me feel welcome here.