Need a Mate!

ORIGINAL: DPU

ORIGINAL: probe1957

...ASPCA says no one wants to adopt large, black dogs...

Not my experience with black dogs…you may be thinking of hounds, but then again I have not really tried with the foster hound I have. 

It's a scientifically proven fact that black dogs inspire more fear in people than those of any other colour. People who are predisposed to loving dogs are unlikely to see this, after all I am not scared of my own large black dog, but it is true for people who are not fans of dogs, or experienced with them.

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I wonder how every one feels about Alaskan Huskies..They are not a breed,and are typically cross bred to maximize performance in harness,and are cross bred specifically for performance.

Of course this is different from breeding for pets/working dogs.

Good point!  However, I would hope that the people who originally got started with the Alaskan variety were doing it to create a superior dog as far as the physical needs for their line of work in general, not because they had a dog and thought it was really nice and cute and other people loved it. 

A couple of really good points have been made that I forgot to mention last night. One of the most important being that there's a very real chance that you could lose Sable AND all of the puppies. It isn't uncommon at all. If you breed her, be sure that you're willing to take that gamble of losing Sable and her puppies.

Xeph is absolutely right that it's VERY common for people who wanted one of your dog's puppies to change their minds when the time comes. Also, Huskies are not for the average owner; people usually want them because they are beautiful. But then they aren't prepared for the shedding, howling, pulling, digging, roaming, and independence which are breed traits of the Husky and Malamute. Even if they know about all that ahead of time, reality can be very different and they find that they can't deal with those things afterall.

You've done a great thing rescuing dogs, but unless ALL of Sable's puppies are spayed or neutered, there is the possibility of adding exponentially to the pet overpopulation. If even 1 dog from her litter is bred there will be around 8-12 puppies born, then if any of those puppies have puppies and those puppies have puppies... [&o] you get the picture. Having people sign a spay/neuter contract is NO guarantee that they will actually have them fixed either.

ORIGINAL: sonic

Could a mod please lock this thread up? Like many have already stated, I should not have posted this request in an internet forum. Even though I've made it clear that I have heard and respect the opinions of more than one person, I don't need to hear it a hundred more times from "me too's". I've also stated that I am not interested in hearing about others ideals and my first post asked a simple question. If you don't have an answer for that question or don't agree with it, you don't have to post in this thread.

 
I find it oddly disturbing that one would come here and blatantly disregard the "no solicitation" rule (your thread title speaks for itself), then not want to hear from anyone who doesn't agree with him/her.  We've never seen that here before.
 
 
 
 
 

In case folks missed it because lost of us were posting at the same time, The OP posted with this. 
 

Could a mod please lock this thread up? Like many have already stated, I should not have posted this request in an internet forum. Even though I've made it clear that I have heard and respect the opinions of more than one person, I don't need to hear it a hundred more times from "me too's". I've also stated that I am not interested in hearing about others ideals and my first post asked a simple question. If you don't have an answer for that question or don't agree with it, you don't have to post in this thread.

 
 
Out of respect to the new member, perhaps if anyone wants to continue this discussion we should start a new thread??? And anyone who has a mate for Sable continue can posting here?   [8|]    

ORIGINAL: jjsmom06

In case folks missed it because lost of us were posting at the same time, The OP posted with this. 

Could a mod please lock this thread up? Like many have already stated, I should not have posted this request in an internet forum. Even though I've made it clear that I have heard and respect the opinions of more than one person, I don't need to hear it a hundred more times from "me too's". I've also stated that I am not interested in hearing about others ideals and my first post asked a simple question. If you don't have an answer for that question or don't agree with it, you don't have to post in this thread.

Out of respect to the new member, perhaps if anyone wants to continue this discussion we should start a new thread??? And anyone who has a mate for Sable continue can posting here?   [8|]    

Actually, earilier today I started a thread in the "How Are We Doing" section. http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=408741

I'm not even sure why the original post was allowed to stay up.  Surely we are not so desperate for new members that we are going to allow this forum to turn into classified ads for "breeders?"

ORIGINAL: Benedict

It's a scientifically proven fact that black dogs inspire more fear in people than those of any other colour. People who are predisposed to loving dogs are unlikely to see this, after all I am not scared of my own large black dog, but it is true for people who are not fans of dogs, or experienced with them.

 
And since I am adopting to families that are "predisposed to loving dogs", doesn't that support what I say.  A "No fans of dogs" would not adopt any color dog. 

And since I am adopting to families that are "predisposed to loving dogs", doesn't that support what I say. A "No fans of dogs" would not adopt any color dog.

I know this is off-topic, but that's not necessarily true.  My MIL loves dogs and has always had a dog, but right now she is scared b/c she admitted that she's afraid of German Shepherds, or ANY dog that's black or has a black face and/or pointy ears (they have a tan cocker spaniel).  I'm actually pleased to have the opportunity to let Chopper prove that dogs are dogs and there's no reason to fear a black dog or a masked dog.

ORIGINAL: tashakota

did no one else think this was important or notice?

what happened to the other littermates?  why was it horrific?  how did they die?  I mean, if they died of malformities in build, then surely breeding Sable is a BAD idea.  If they died due to abuse, then surely Sable also came from that situation and was put under stress and perhaps would not survive a whelping?

Thanks for asking, and I'm glad you asked without already having your mind made up about what happened [8|]

Sable actually has a fairly 'known' history of where she came from. A park/forest ranger in Eastern Oregon had a purebred Siberian that had puppies (and yes, from what I can gather, it is believed that Sables father had some GSD in his line at some point and that is what has given Sable her unique look). The puppies were stolen off his property by neighbors. Nobody really knows what happened from the time they stole the puppies to the time they ended up at the kill shelter (about a week later). The puppies were scheduled to be euthanized.   Long story short –   A no-kill shelter here in Portland heard about the puppies and found a volunteer to bring them over here (at this time, the ranger still had no idea that his puppies had been found or that his neighbors had stole them). Unfortunately, the guy who brought them over wasn't terribly fond of dogs (or, at the very least, had no idea how to care for them) and put them in a cage on his flatbed truck. It was raining all the way down (we're talking about a 3.5hr trip). By the time the puppies arrived, all but Sable were in bad shape and died a day or two later. Sable was the youngest of the four but somehow pulled through with a clean bill of health. They believe the others died of pneumonia.   About six months after we adopted Sable, the rest of the story about what had happened to her (as far as being stolen by the neighbors) had come out. So we got in contact with the ranger and he was completely relieved that at least Sable was in a good home.

ORIGINAL: MhadDog

I wonder how every one feels about Alaskan Huskies..They are not a breed,and are typically cross bred to maximize performance in harness,and are cross bred specifically for performance.

Of course this is different from breeding for pets/working dogs.

I think the Alaskan Huskie is a perfect example of 'responsible' breeding but guess I'm not a purist when it comes to dog breeding. I do agree with all the guidelines ie health and genetic testing, spay/neuter contracts, guarentees, puppy return policy etc. The only guideline I don't totally support is 'betterment of the breed'. I personally believe in 'betterment of the species'. Mixed breeds or mutts, bred in a manner that produces healthy, well tempered, stable litters are as acceptable to me as breeding pure breds.

I know, I know, I know - there are many, many, many mutts and mixes in shelters so there is no need to intentionally breed more. That I get, but the same could be said for breed specific resues. Until the shelters are empty maybe all dog breeding should stop. In the mean time it seems hypocritical to say well only those trying to 'better' actual breeds should be allowed to breed when in fact many purebreds have inherent genetic and health issues that are not being improved but perpetuated by responsible breeders. I personally find it more acceptable to breed an excellent example of a mix/mutt than a breed that has known genetic disorders, known health issues and can no longer even breed or whelp naturally.

ORIGINAL: denise m

I think the Alaskan Huskie is a perfect example of 'responsible' breeding but guess I'm not a purist when it comes to dog breeding. I do agree with all the guidelines ie health and genetic testing, spay/neuter contracts, guarentees, puppy return policy etc. The only guideline I don't totally support is 'betterment of the breed'. I personally believe in 'betterment of the species'. Mixed breeds or mutts, bred in a manner that produces healthy, well tempered, stable litters are as acceptable to me as breeding pure breds.

I know, I know, I know - there are many, many, many mutts and mixes in shelters so there is no need to intentionally breed more. That I get, but the same could be said for breed specific resues. Until the shelters are empty maybe all dog breeding should stop. In the mean time it seems hypocritical to say well only those trying to 'better' actual breeds should be allowed to breed when in fact many purebreds have inherent genetic and health issues that are not being improved but perpetuated by responsible breeders. I personally find it more acceptable to breed an excellent example of a mix/mutt than a breed that has known genetic disorders, known health issues and can no longer even breed or whelp naturally.

At the risk of adding fuel to the fire...

I believe the same way but was too afraid to post what you did. I've always maintained that all dogs are 'mutts' in some sense; they were all bred to do or be specific things (many times, to a FAULT). I certainly agree that health should be the number one concern, and I have and will continue to take all precautions necessary to make sure health is my number one priority.

Denise m,
Very good post and very thought provoking. 

Alaskan Huskies are bred for working. As several people have pointed out, Sable has a faulty structure. These dogs are also not being bred to work, they're being bred for pets when there are tons of Huskies and Malamutes already in the shelters and rescues.

And as another person mentioned, why not help your friends to find a Husky or Malamute in the shelters rather than ADDING to the population. The chances are slim to none that you'll have any "Sable jr.s" anyway.

For the record, I do not think the thread should be locked. It benefits lurkers to read this IMO.

Paula

I think the Alaskan Huskie is a perfect example of 'responsible' breeding but guess I'm not a purist when it comes to dog breeding. I do agree with all the guidelines ie health and genetic testing, spay/neuter contracts, guarentees, puppy return policy etc. The only guideline I don't totally support is 'betterment of the breed'. I personally believe in 'betterment of the species'. Mixed breeds or mutts, bred in a manner that produces healthy, well tempered, stable litters are as acceptable to me as breeding pure breds.

I know, I know, I know - there are many, many, many mutts and mixes in shelters so there is no need to intentionally breed more. That I get, but the same could be said for breed specific resues. Until the shelters are empty maybe all dog breeding should stop. In the mean time it seems hypocritical to say well only those trying to 'better' actual breeds should be allowed to breed when in fact many purebreds have inherent genetic and health issues that are not being improved but perpetuated by responsible breeders. I personally find it more acceptable to breed an excellent example of a mix/mutt than a breed that has known genetic disorders, known health issues and can no longer even breed or whelp naturally.

Nice post! [sm=wink2.gif]