Why do owners who retire their show dog rehome them???

Whether rehoming is done right or done wrong, I still say it is not a valid reason to rehome

But that's your opinion, not fact.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You don't have to agree with it, but it's not your decision.
 

I used to feel that way with the Great Dane but after have the large breed mixed fosters, I have changed. 

I've had purebreds and mixed breeds (from puppy hood on).  I've decided I like the predictability of the purebred.  My dog, my choice.  Simple.
 

What is wrong with taking one of the fosters in my home, instead.

Nothing is "wrong" with that, but that's not what some people want.  When people rehome their retired champions/studs/brood bitches, they've lived with the dog for the majority of its life. 
 
They've whelped it, raised it, know it's full health history, know the dogs quirks, what it likes, what it doesn't like.  They've had years of experience with that dog, where as a rescue home may have only had a few months.  There's more security in buying the older retired dog from a breeder, and that's why some people purchase a retired animal from a breeder as opposed to going to rescue.

ORIGINAL: miranadobe

As I said I don't make a distinction of Respy breeders.

This repeated statement leaves the impression that there is no such thing as a responsible breeder, in your opinion.  Can you clarify, because I don't think that's what you mean to say, but perhaps it is? 

 
Miranadobe, at this time, I really did not want to get into an advocacy discussion and I have had to really exercise self control for the past month to stay out of those Advocacy threads.  I have my opinion on Respy and UnRespy breeder but I have always stayed out of those discussion.  I still want to.  Please respect that the subject is off-topic.  Thanks.

I wonder how many of the people posting here that are so against re-homing dogs have much experience with breeder re-homed dogs.  You talk like these dogs are like some sort of worn out shoes and nothing could be further from the truth.  I know people that specifically look for getting an adult dog from a breeder or show person for a lot of the reasons that have been listed.  In fact I know dogs that have gone on to high levels of achievement in agility, obedience, and other pursuits and a good number of them that went on to become therapy dogs or just spoiled members of families.  To expect a breeder to keep every dog that they have ever owned is silly,  then you would call breeders hoarders,  they want whats best for the dog and a good number of times that means letting the dog have a second career with another family.  These dogs aren't dumped on anyone, people actively seek them out.
 

What is wrong with taking one of the fosters in my home, instead. Please explain this desire to have that one of kind unique breed. I used to feel that way with the Great Dane but after have the large breed mixed fosters, I have changed.

1.  I want a dog that lives to be more than 10-12 yrs

2.  I want a dog who is and who's parents, grandparents, etc. are OFA H/E

3.  I want a dog that has been home raised with housecats (that is an absolute, 100% MUST)

4.  I want a dog that is a big, bad visual deterrence, regardless of it's true temperament.  I'm a young woman who needs to be out after dark in a bad neighborhood. 

5.  I want a dog that has been trained and socialized using the same operant conditioning methods I use

6.  I want a dog from a foster home or mentor that has years and years of experience in the sports I plan to pursue and someone who is willing to be my mentor because I am new to official dog sporting events

I have looked into many shelter/rescue dogs but ALL of them were either not good with cats or would not be released to a home without a fence.  There were two GSDs at our shelter during the time I was looking for a dog and I was very heartbroken both times they got adopted.  I would have taken either of them in a second if the time had been right.  Just so you know, Chopper happens to be the only dog I found after several months of searching that meets all of my needs (see above list), but ironically she is not what I wanted.  I wanted a large, male dog with a much stronger head and much, much darker coat (see #4).  But I'm not stupid and I know looks are really superficial.  I'm blessed to have been picked for Chopper and I trust these people since they have decades of experience breeding, competing, and running the rescue org for their breed.  Actually, this was not even my first choice of breed.

ORIGINAL: Xeph

They've whelped it, raised it, know it's full health history, know the dogs quirks, what it likes, what it doesn't like.  They've had years of experience with that dog, where as a rescue home may have only had a few months.  There's more security in buying the older retired dog from a breeder, and that's why some people purchase a retired animal from a breeder as opposed to going to rescue.

 
Sounds like it is in direct competition to the fostered shelter dog.  Except the foster dog has live in a home setting with a family while the dog who has used up its usefullness has been confined to a kennel situation.  This is best for people?
 
 

Except the foster dog has live in a home setting with a family while the dog who has used up its usefullness has been confined to a kennel situation

Where on EARTH are you getting this stuff?!?!  "Kennel" doesn't mean actual crate, it means the name of the breeding program, ie Chopper is from the "Alta Tollhaus" kennel, an LLC, and her sire was from the "Kriegerhaus" kennel.  She was whelped and raised in the home, where she has been ever since.

The greyhound breeders/owners are dumping their dogs on someone else to find homes for them with the clear understanding that these greyhound owners will execute the dogs if someone else doesn't take care of their mess for them.

Anyone that claims that the greyhound dumping is on par, or even on topic with show breeders is completely and utterly off base.

Those dogs are used for racing.  Completely.  They are not being raised in a home.  They are not handled and evaluated from an early age like show pups would be.  They are evaluated for speed and the ability to run-and that evaluation doesn't truly become concrete until they are adults.  If they don't meet the grade then they are either rescued by volunteer groups or they die horrible deaths.  The racetrack doesn't contact the recue group and say "hey come rehome some dogs for us."

Xeph:  Great post!  I totally support your philosophy!

ORIGINAL: timsdat

I wonder how many of the people posting here that are so against re-homing dogs have much experience with breeder re-homed dogs.  You talk like these dogs are like some sort of worn out shoes and nothing could be further from the truth.  I know people that specifically look for getting an adult dog from a breeder or show person for a lot of the reasons that have been listed.  In fact I know dogs that have gone on to high levels of achievement in agility, obedience, and other pursuits and a good number of them that went on to become therapy dogs or just spoiled members of families.  To expect a breeder to keep every dog that they have ever owned is silly,  then you would call breeders hoarders,  they want whats best for the dog and a good number of times that means letting the dog have a second career with another family.  These dogs aren't dumped on anyone, people actively seek them out.

 
No one is saying anything bad about the dog, afterall the dog is the innocent victim...discarded, unwanted.  It is not silly to have that expectation, it is responsible dog ownership.
 
I have fostered a poppa and momma beagle that where discarded.  I know what is what like the first few weeks in making them good house guest. 

I have my opinion on Respy and UnRespy breeder but I have always stayed out of those discussion. I still want to.

Understood that there are some opinions you want to share publicly and others you do not, and I meant no disrespect in asking because I wasn't aware you had an issue with this.  The reason I asked was simply because the impression left without the explanation is that breeding cannot be defined as responsible from your perspective. Which is on-topic, because that colors the perspective on breeders' practices as a whole, including this one.  I will leave that alone as you wish - no ill will was intended, whatsoever, just looking for clarification.

ORIGINAL: Liesje

1.  I want a dog that lives to be more than 10-12 yrs

2.  I want a dog who is and who's parents, grandparents, etc. are OFA H/E

3.  I want a dog that has been home raised with housecats (that is an absolute, 100% MUST)

4.  I want a dog that is a big, bad visual deterrence, regardless of it's true temperament.  I'm a young woman who needs to be out after dark in a bad neighborhood. 

5.  I want a dog that has been trained and socialized using the same operant conditioning methods I use

6.  I want a dog from a foster home or mentor that has years and years of experience in the sports I plan to pursue and someone who is willing to be my mentor because I am new to official dog sporting events

 
Out of the three and half million dogs in shelters, none is to your liking.  Item#2 rules out a lot.  I respect that you want to get the kind of dog you desire and I understand that you have found one of those good rehoming situation.  After fostering so many dogs in my home, my fosters only limitation is showings.  They are just as good or maybe even better.  Can I tell you the stories...

Sounds like it is in direct competition to the fostered shelter dog. Except the foster dog has live in a home setting with a family while the dog who has used up its usefullness has been confined to a kennel situation. This is best for people?

 
It's not in any sort of competition with shelter dogs.  Many people don't want a dog from the shelter.  Do you suggest that people be forced to accept a dog from where you feel is appropriate?  I breeder friend of mine has eople that will tell her that they want a certain dog when she retires them.  Sometimes she allows them to go to new homes and others she keeps,  she determines what would be the best situation for each dog and no they aren't wasting away in a kennel,  they are part of the household as are all of her dogs.
 
 

I respect that you want to get the kind of dog you desire and I understand that you have found one of those good rehoming situation. After fostering so many dogs in my home, my fosters only limitation is showings.

Showing you mean like conformation?  I have zero interest in showing.  Too boring for me, way too political.  Chopper is not elligable for showing. 

The main reason I said yes to the rescue is b/c she was born in a home with cats and ignores cats.  Sorry, but I do have responsibilities for my current animals, not just dogs.  I will not consider any dog that might be unsafe around my current animals.  No one can guilt me into jeopardizing their home situation.  Like you said, there's 3.5 million dogs needing homes, so there's NO reason for me to pick one that is not a good fit when there are plenty of other choices available. 

If you think I'm a terrible person for wanting a German Shepherd and want to assume that I never looked at dogs in shelters or never considered other breeds or mixes (both untrue), that's your prerogative, but it makes it seem like you don't think dogs exist for any purposes other than being home companions.

Anyone that claims that the greyhound dumping is on par, or even on topic with show breeders is completely and utterly off base.

Those dogs are used for racing. Completely. They are not being raised in a home. They are not handled and evaluated from an early age like show pups would be. They are evaluated for speed and the ability to run-and that evaluation doesn't truly become concrete until they are adults. If they don't meet the grade then they are either rescued by volunteer groups or they die horrible deaths. The racetrack doesn't contact the recue group and say "hey come rehome some dogs for us."

 Ed… I was going to make a similar comment here. I am not familiar with the breeders and show dogs rehoming stuff, so I can#%92t speak to that for sure, but I believe it to be very different than what we are talking g about with racing greyhound.

  As you mentioned Ed, racing greyhounds are never raised in a home, while they are use to human handling, the handling is not the same as that of a show dog.  As time goes on and the pups start to grow and they teach them to race, some of the ones that don#%92t make the cut are culled.   By the time a racing grey is 18 months, they have their “maiden races” and if they don#%92t place, they are disposed of (ie- the lucky ones that the grey rescues have space to take are picked up and the unlucky ones the grey rescues can#%92t take are killed).

  Back before greyhound rescue became popular, over 50,000 greys were killed a year, now due to breeding restrictions, the closing down of  many racetracks and rescue groups intervening, the number of greys killed a year is estimated in the 10,000- 20,000 range.  So from sheer numbers alone, I believe it to be a very different type of rehoming than what we are discussing with show dogs.  

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

The greyhound breeders/owners are dumping their dogs on someone else to find homes for them with the clear understanding that these greyhound owners will execute the dogs if someone else doesn't take care of their mess for them.

Anyone that claims that the greyhound dumping is on par, or even on topic with show breeders is completely and utterly off base.

Those dogs are used for racing.  Completely.  They are not being raised in a home.  They are not handled and evaluated from an early age like show pups would be.  They are evaluated for speed and the ability to run-and that evaluation doesn't truly become concrete until they are adults.  If they don't meet the grade then they are either rescued by volunteer groups or they die horrible deaths.  The racetrack doesn't contact the recue group and say "hey come rehome some dogs for us."

 
Talk to me directly and explain how one is not selfish justification and the other is exploitation.  I am reasonable.  I listen.  I can understand and I will work at seeing the other side.  Its your turn.

No one is saying anything bad about the dog, afterall the dog is the innocent victim...discarded, unwanted. It is not silly to have that expectation, it is responsible dog ownership.

 
I don't know how you can call a re-homed dog discarded, unwanted.  When the breeder keeps the dog until the right person comes along and wants them that is discarded?  These re-homes aren't getting dumped in shelters!