Hurt, Sad and so very angry(huskymom)

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    Hurt, Sad and so very angry(huskymom)

     My sister had her dogs put down today.  Well her dog Tucker and my niece's dog Snicker.  Reason, Snicker got off his chain Christmas day and killed the neighbor's dog.  Tucker was there and so is guilty by association, though I doubt he had any real part in it. 

    Now on the part of the neighbor, I completely understand, though his monetary demands are somewhat odd.  His family lost their dog, and no matter what was paid for said dog, it was still a family pet and if it was my dog.... well, I can't  even begin to imagine.  

    Now a part of me wants to cry for my sister and my niece.  They lost their dogs too.  HOWEVER, I told both of them months and months ago that Snicker needed to be socialized and that he needed to get into some sort of training classes.  I told Steph that if she wanted a Husky that she needed to know what she was getting into.  That he was not gonna just be some pretty face that would fit smoothly into her family and be just like all the other dogs they'd had before(all labs btw).  I told her he needed lots of exercise and lots of training.  Lots of attention and that he would be more dog than any other she had had before.  That was met with,"I know I know I know."  And a fair amount of eye rolling by my sister who thinks I'm a dog "loser" and of course go way overboard with my dogs. 

    When I finally went to my sister directly in hopes that she would intervene with Steph on Snicker's behalf, she shrugged and said,"Oh well, he's not my dog.  My dogs nice.  Not my problem."   And now, both dogs are dead and so is another innocent dog. 

    The other part is that the neighbor was not calling for Tucker to be put down.   Only that he be contained to their yard.  But Tucker didn't like being tied up.  He may have been abused by his previous owner while tied up and so he would cower and shake when he was chained.  OH WELL!  Build a freakin fence!  I hate the idea of a dog being tied up in the country when no one is there anyway.  This is wolf country and as far as I'm concerned that's just dangerous.  There is a 23 wolf pack roaming around up here somewhere.  And dogs have been killed by them this winter.  A secure kennel is IMO a much better option anyway.  Instead, Tucker was euthanized this morning.  He was kind of old and had arthritis.  Jeez, my sister had been giving him meds for it everyday.  She bought special grooming tools for him when she found he had different coat than any other dog she'd had before.  I thought she was changing.  That maybe I was having a bit of an effect on her. 

    And so I sit here, shaking because I'm so mad.  I'm mad at my niece for not listening to me.  At my sister for shrugging me off.  And mostly at myself for not pushing the issue effectively.  And for not knowing just how bad things had gotten.  Tracey told me today that she was surprised that Snicker got off his chain because he hasn't gotten off it or off a leash since he first started getting aggressive.  That was this summer or slightly earlier.  I know for a fact that Steph does not walk him, nobody does.  That family is above cleaning up dog poop so walking in town is a no go, and walking in the country on a leash is stupid.(their opinion not mine)  So he has had no exercise in months other than running around on the 20 or so foot line he was tied with.  

    Part of me still hurts for them.  And a huge part of me is hurting for my other niece and my nephew who lost their dog today too.  

    And I'm so sad for Tucker.  He was a good dog.  Fat and lazy, but a well tempered beast anyway.  Loveable if not a little smelly.  Sweet and respectful and oh so greatful to get a little lovin and to be safe from human harm.  The first few years of his life were rough for him.  We know a little of his back ground and its not good, but it made him who he was and I forget how Callie puts it but we were glad for that boy.  Run Free Tucker.  Who will he look for at the Bridge?  Maybe my nephew...

    The dog from across the road.  I'm not sure what kind of dog it was, nor gender nor name.  But I want him or her to run free as well.

    And finally Snicker.  Snicker was never hit.  He was fed well.  Groomed well.  Had his nails clipped regularly.  He was a rescue dog from a good rescue up here.  I was happy when I finally convinced Steph to adopt a rescue pup rather than buy one from an online site I caught her looking at one day.  Now, I wish I had managed to talk her out of it like I try when so many other's show an interest in my breed.  But Steph doesn't do things halfway.  She goes full bore into everything and I was a fool to think that she would do the same with a dog.  Snicker's led a life on a chain.  He came in the house when people were home.  Was a part of the family, but kind of the sort that nobody really liked.  Likely they would have rehomed him long ago if it weren't for me.  Not that I advised against it, but they likely thought I'd be mad.  So he was chained instead.  He could have been a good dog in the right hands.  He was a beautiful baby.  Run Free Snicker.  My Pint is up there, she'll show you the ropes and teach you to be a good boy.  Don't mess with her though, she might be little but she'll whoop ur butt boy!  Oh Snicker, you deserved so much more. :'(

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    I am so sorry, this situation would have made me very very angry as well

    I suppose all that can really be done now, is try your best if/when they decide to get a new dog

    RIP Tucker and Snicker and the neighbour's dog

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    Oh gosh this a sad story.  Sounds like your sister didn't want deal at all and just put them both down.  Rest in peace little doggies!

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    I'm so sorry for what you're feeling -- and for what those poor dogs had to go through.  I will say, though, that there are many fates worse than death -- and in this case, perhaps these dogs are better off now.  Of course a better home would have been far preferable, but knowing that it likely wouldn't happen, the dogs are in a better place.

    I hope you do everything in your power to make sure that your sister & niece never get another dog again -- or at least until they show they are willing and able to give the dog the life & training that it deserves.  I will never understand why people get a dog just to leave it tied to a chain in the yard all the time.  Especially a Husky.  They are EXTREMELY social dogs and it must have been just dreadful for that poor dog.

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    I am very sad over the loss of all the dogs involved. Heartbreaking especially for Snickers.

    I have been in their shoes. And we put a 5 year old dog down for killing a dog (she didn't kill it but when she was done the dog had to be PTS, would have been kinder if she had killed it).

    I got a lot of flack over our decision to have Daisty put to sleep. But, for us, it was the only logical choice as there was no way I was going to give her away to an unknown future.

    We got Daisy as an 8 week old pup and in her 5 years of life she never knew a single day of abuse. She was a Malamute/Shepherd mix who adored people. As she matured she started to show a strong prey drive. She was my husband's running/hiking/snowshoeing buddy so she got plenty of exercise. She was a large strong dog living with a 4 year old kid. Anytime my son would go out Daisy would knock him over to get out and run - and that's  how she got the dog. Daisy didn't spend her life on a chain - she was a house dog.

    The decision to have Daisy PTS was probably one of the hardest things I've ever done and I hope will be the hardest choice I ever have to make in life. To take a healthy vibrant dog to the vet and say send her to Rainbow Bridge was devastating. And I still remember the happy go lucky look on her face when the vet took her out back (I couldn't go with her I couldn't even breathe). The look on her face as that of "I'll be right  here when you get back" and although 15 years have passed I can easily break into tears just conjuring up that vision.

    It's easy to judge the person who does make that choice rather than give the dog to someone else. And it sounds like in your sister's and niece's case the pets were basically lawn ornaments anyway....but it is still painful to have to do.

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    How awful.  Such a sad situation for those dogs; none of it was their fault at all.  Rest in peace Tucker and Snickers...run free and never be tied again.  Broken Heart

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     (((((HUGS!!!!))))) I know how you must be feeling :(   i've seen a similar situation with myself and later on with my cousin and her GSDs.

     Kaydee lashed out at a dog that kept going after her and boy did we EVER come close to having her euthed. she killed that dog but i wasnt home. my mom was in charge, took a short cut(because thats her way) and i ended up with a dead dog and another everyone wanted to kill. Kaydee was innocent of everything except for being a bulldog. if she had been a lab and had killed another dog we wouldnt have had everyone with their pitch forks and torches shouting at us. but the way the situation was explained to me i didnt see a need to put her down....and my mom WANTED her put down with a vengence. Kaydee isnt a dog killer, but she is protective and the dog that died over stepped the boundaries(for reasons unknown) Theres something about a bulldog that seems attract animals with a death wish..... but since that day i have decided never to trust my animals in anyones care but my own. especially Kaydee.

    my cousin now... and her male shepherd .... a beautiful boy if there ever was one.. started turning kennel crazy just last summer. she never walked them or let them in the house, just let them have puppies. he finally started escaping and eventually went after other pets in the area. she had him killed. i dont know if they had him PTS with the vet or if they just shot him. wouldnt put it past them. all i know is he's dead and its their fault for getting him and turning him into a mad dog. he could have been saved. but he wasnt worth their time and energy.

    and thats when i came to the conclusion that... there are dog people and there are DOG people... and there are "its just a dog, people"..... those are the ones who just get a dog to have in the yard and bark to keep people from trespassing. there's not much effort to make the dog a member of the family except food and maybe the ocassional flea bath..

     

    I'm sorry this has happened and those three dogs were all victims. its horrible. but i agree... i'd get on their case big time if they start talking about getting another big dog to keep on a chain so the cycle can repeat.

     

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    All I can say is run free doggies!   I'm sure that Lucy will be there to meet y'all. How sad.  I want to cry for everyone involved (canine & human).

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    Well this just sucks.  It's hard to be the one who tries and tries to explain and assist and then have something tragic happen. I'm so sorry.

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    JackieG

    Well this just sucks.  It's hard to be the one who tries and tries to explain and assist and then have something tragic happen. I'm so sorry.

     

    Ditto.  And, I don't know how I would be able to face a sister again knowing that those dogs all had to die because of her stubborn stupidity without reaming her a new one.  I can only imagine how angry it makes you feel because I'm sure you love your sister but hate what she let happen.  So senseless and sad.  I only hope they are in a better place with the RB welcoming committee.

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    I'm so sorry for all of the dogs and for you having to watch these events unfold, in spite of your best efforts to help and educate. I so understand what you're going through right now.

    Those of us who work with other people and their dogs on a regular basis or as a profession, know this feeling all too well. And it is both frustrating and heartbreaking. Like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

    Having also help raise a lot of other people's kids, this happens to a different degree and with different repercussions with these innocents as well.

    I recently had a groomer call me because she saw some bad things coming down the road for a client and her dogs. All I could do is give the groomer a few tips I thought she could pass on to help and told her she could give the client my number. But if an owner has no desire to change, feels they are not the one responsible for the dog's behavior, makes excuses, or is in denial of the severity of the problem, there's not much anyone can do unless there is direct abuse involved.

    Not everyone feels the same way about their dogs as those you will find on the dog boards. Sometimes we get so used to talking to each other and trying so hard, it can be a bit shocking "out there".

    I've learned this the hard way and it still hurts everytime I see the train a-coming.

    (((hugs to you)))

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    Candace, I am so very sorry for your loss, the loss that your nieces & nephew witnessed, and the loss of the dogs' lives altogether.  You did the best you could - you kept talking to your sister, trying to guide her.  You can only hope people take something away from what others share, but you can't control what they do.  You did not cause this to happen, it is not your fault.  And, Tucker will wait at the Bridge for you, because you tried and you cared.  (((HUGS)))

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     I'm so sorry Candace.  It's so hard that most of this was out of your control.  It sounds like you did everything you could to help. 

    Run free doggies.

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     Thanks everyone.  I want to clarify a couple things.  First of all, my niece is 21 years old, engaged, has her own business and is very mature for her age.  She unfortunately is set in her ways about dogs and that was the problem here.  So though I wish my sister could have stepped in sooner, it really was not her fault, but Steph's.  Steph is an adult and should behave accordingly. 

    Secondly, Tucker was not a yard ornament.  He was left outside when no one was home only because he had severe SA when locked inside alone.  He was always loose, and while not the ideal thing, he was a good dog and stuck around.  They have several acres and I have never once seen him act aggressively toward another dog or anyone for that matter.  He was simply in the wrong place a the wrong time and my sister acted before talking to me.  We could have worked with him on boundries at the very least.  They've had him for years and he has never had any problems.  He was very much a part of their family, and there is no reason he should have gone to the bridge.  The pup was the problem dog, and only because of his upbringing, though I suppose his breeding could have played a part.   Who knows where he came from.  But he should have been worked with and not just tied out. 

    I do not know how to face my sister.  When she told me yesterday she was crying and her co-worker was hugging her and consoling her.  It was all I could do not to yell at her, and she knew it.  My mom was shocked that I was mad.  She knows I am a freak about my dogs but she doesn't understand the situation.  I've mentioned before that she is a Hope and Pray kind of person and that apparently extends to her knowledge of dogs.  I cried after Tracey left.

    And once again, I appreciate you people more than you can know, or maybe you do.  Sometimes it sucks when you're the only one that cares about something and everyone makes you feel like a dork about it.  and then something like this happens and still nobody understands.

    I'm still waiting for someone to say ,"Jeez, Snicker only killed a dog and he got PTS, Crusher bit Kali and you did nothing..."   I know its coming. 

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    huskymom
    Sometimes it sucks when you're the only one that cares about something and everyone makes you feel like a dork about it.  and then something like this happens and still nobody understands.

    I hear ya...and you know we understand.  One of the reasons I love this board.