Doberman attacks family - Pit Bull defends them and kills the attacker

*puts feet up on desk and munches popcorn* I love trolls.. They're very entertaining.

I have some too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2LFNtAYhBg

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Truley

 Been awhile....hello folks.

Let's have some supporting news stories! I give you:

 http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/alaska.html

 http://www.thedogfiles.com/2011/02/03/stray-pit-bull-saves-woman-child-from-attacker

 http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/pit-bull-saves-owner

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/pit-bull-saves-woman-brain-aneurysm-_n_1030966.html

I'm really getting a headache.

 

Deb W.

Well, that's a mess of something.  I could only see the one link at the beginning.

Please note that the dog in question was kept by a teenager who told the kids he would let the dog attack them if they didn't go away.  And then he let loose the dog.  Clearly this dog wasn't being kept well.  Dogs who attack usually are neglected or mistreated in some way.  Since this kid threatened to have the dog attack...well, you draw the conclusion.  It's pretty obvious.  The same thing would have happened had it been a GSD, a Rottweiler, or some other large and powerful breed.

Please note this: "As the juvenile was walking away, the suspect verbally commanded the dog to attack the juvenile and let the dog out of the house."  VERBALLY COMMANDED.  So this dog was TRAINED to attack by a human.

Usually when it comes to dog attacks it's a human failing.

And this was also a media account that didn't even show the dog in question.  Everything from lab mixes to Cane Corsos have been called "pit bulls" in the media.  I thought you were going to show proof.  I see none.  I'm sorry that kid got attacked by a dog; it's horrible and the teenager who caused it to happen was arrested.  But still, you're not showing any REAL proof.  Just media stories which are always incredibly biased.

Jewlieee, this is exactly what pitbull defenders REFUSE or are incapable of discerning from arguments made by people who favor BSL (breed specific legislation) in an effort to reduce the amount of innocent lives (human and animal) being horribly maimed, disfigured, and killed every year by breeds known to posses a markedly increased propensity for attacking. It's not that every pitbull is bad or that no pitbull can be a completely loyal companion. Like I said, not EVERY animal displays the same traits regardless if its breed was breed for said traits. It's about propensity and likelihood. Again, numbers don't lie. Pitbulls, INCLUDING pitbulls from environments with no history of attack training or mistreatment, are in fact MORE LIKELY to attack, maim and kill humans and other animals than other breeds of dog. I have listed numerous evidence of this but this simple clear and obvious FACT will continue to go unnoticed by pitbull defenders until the rest of society has not other choice but to remove these animals from all homes because the pitbull community continues to refuse to accommodate a reasonable middle of the road solution to this problem.

Jewlieee

Wow crazy thread.

Pbs were not bred to be nannies! That is myth that just wont die.

Jackie, no offense, but i disagree that some dogs aren't born with aggressive instincts. We breed for all kinds of traits and those traits come out stronger in some dogs than others. Out of one litter you will have a shy dog a bold dog a dog who loves things that run a dog would doesnt care if something is running, a dog who loves to sniff, etc. Police dogs are bred for protective instincts and work ethic, bcs to herd, lgds to guard. If those instincts arent naturally there the dog is generally considered a pet vs a working dog. If the instincts are there you can build off it. Why would pbs be the exception to this rule?

Here's one you can use: This innocent "dead horse" was violently slaughtered by two vicious pitbulls with NO ATTACK training whatsoever!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyZejbsX9Hw

tiffy

 Wheres that "beating a dead horse" icon?

 Wikipedia, blogspot, and youtube are not reliable sources of information.  Any college writing class would tell you this, which as a scientist you still would have to have taken.  If you want to convince anyone try giving credible, citable sources for your information.  Otherwise everything you post is a much opinion and emotions as any of the other posts you've criticized.

Show us the studies that you continue to refer to.  If the numbers truly don't lie then give us access to them, not just your summary of them.  With out any sources you pretty much ask us to trust your interpretation, w/o giving us any reason to.

Bellykose, I don't think you'd know a FACT is it jumped up and bit you in the face.

The FACT is, which places like the UK and others are finding out: BSL does not result in less dog attacks.  Period.  Why?  Because the sort of people who abuse and mistreat and neglect and train their dogs to attack will just move onto another type of dog.  Sometimes one even bigger and more powerful.

Guess who used to be the bad guy? Dobermans. And Rottweilers.  Before that it was  German Shepherds.  And before THAT it was Bloodhounds.  Ban one dog, get rid of one dog, and bad people will just choose another large and powerful breed.  In fact, those sorts of people are tending to breed pit bulls with other larger breeds to make LARGER attack dogs because pit bulls are really a medium sized dog. 

You have shown nothing here but sensationalist media reports that don't even show the dog in question.  When I've seen them refer to dogs who clearly not pit bulls as "pit bulls" not showing the dog generally makes me question what breed it really IS.

Bellykose

Here's one you can use: This innocent "dead horse" was violently slaughtered by two vicious pitbulls with NO ATTACK training whatsoever!!!

 

As horrible a thing as it is, I don't think you can really compare dogs attacking what is, essentially, a prey animal to attacking humans.  Would you also condemn dogs for taking down a deer?  How about for killing a squirrel?  Horses, as much as we love them, are prey animals and dogs ARE predators.

crysania

Bellykose

Here's one you can use: This innocent "dead horse" was violently slaughtered by two vicious pitbulls with NO ATTACK training whatsoever!!!

 

As horrible a thing as it is, I don't think you can really compare dogs attacking what is, essentially, a prey animal to attacking humans.  Would you also condemn dogs for taking down a deer?  How about for killing a squirrel?  Horses, as much as we love them, are prey animals and dogs ARE predators.

  Amen.

As a Doberman owner and previous pit bull owner, I am invested in the REALITY of both breeds/types.  Not the internet hype.

As a Moderator here, I'm reminding folks to respect our fellow members of this forum.  Debate topic.

proof ------> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf

Follow the link. Yes the host of the online article is dogbite law, but it's not the source. This article was published in the peer reviewed journal "Vet Med Today"

crysania

Well, that's a mess of something.  I could only see the one link at the beginning.

Please note that the dog in question was kept by a teenager who told the kids he would let the dog attack them if they didn't go away.  And then he let loose the dog.  Clearly this dog wasn't being kept well.  Dogs who attack usually are neglected or mistreated in some way.  Since this kid threatened to have the dog attack...well, you draw the conclusion.  It's pretty obvious.  The same thing would have happened had it been a GSD, a Rottweiler, or some other large and powerful breed.

Please note this: "As the juvenile was walking away, the suspect verbally commanded the dog to attack the juvenile and let the dog out of the house."  VERBALLY COMMANDED.  So this dog was TRAINED to attack by a human.

Usually when it comes to dog attacks it's a human failing.

And this was also a media account that didn't even show the dog in question.  Everything from lab mixes to Cane Corsos have been called "pit bulls" in the media.  I thought you were going to show proof.  I see none.  I'm sorry that kid got attacked by a dog; it's horrible and the teenager who caused it to happen was arrested.  But still, you're not showing any REAL proof.  Just media stories which are always incredibly biased.

crysania

Well, that's a mess of something.  I could only see the one link at the beginning.

Please note that the dog in question was kept by a teenager who told the kids he would let the dog attack them if they didn't go away.  And then he let loose the dog.  Clearly this dog wasn't being kept well.  Dogs who attack usually are neglected or mistreated in some way.  Since this kid threatened to have the dog attack...well, you draw the conclusion.  It's pretty obvious.  The same thing would have happened had it been a GSD, a Rottweiler, or some other large and powerful breed.

Please note this: "As the juvenile was walking away, the suspect verbally commanded the dog to attack the juvenile and let the dog out of the house."  VERBALLY COMMANDED.  So this dog was TRAINED to attack by a human.

Usually when it comes to dog attacks it's a human failing.

And this was also a media account that didn't even show the dog in question.  Everything from lab mixes to Cane Corsos have been called "pit bulls" in the media.  I thought you were going to show proof.  I see none.  I'm sorry that kid got attacked by a dog; it's horrible and the teenager who caused it to happen was arrested.  But still, you're not showing any REAL proof.  Just media stories which are always incredibly biased.

While certainly humorous, your reply completely misses the point of my analogy. Do you know what an ANALOGY is? It make a symbolic comparison to get a congruent (but altogether different) point across. The analogy is valid. Images of one specific animal, regardless of breed OR SPECIES, does NOT apply universally to the breed or species as a whole. It proves NOTHING! That was my point.

JackieG

gradyupmybutt

Astra a PIT BULL???  Seriously.

I have one thing to say.  Do not feed the

I'm starting to enjoy reading her desperate attempts to convince us that pit bulls are like lions, tigers and bears.  oh my. lol

I'm with Deb.  This thread has become a black hole - it keeps sucking everyone in and yet is going nowhere.

Why do you people continue to presume I'm female? I'M NOT. My name is Jared and I am a 30 year old male who lives in Reno, NV. I checked my profile and can't even find a place where it lets you describe yourself, gender, age, location, etc., only my pets. Perhaps it's your own internal sexist bias that is the source of your presumption. Who knows.

Bellykose

proof ------> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf

 

Nope.  Not proof.  

"We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities."

The media gets the breed wrong more times than not.  Plus the media doesn't often report on dog bite incidents that are not pit bulls.  And if they do, they call them "dogs."  Or, if the dog is shorthaired it's a "pit bull mix" even if you don't actually have any clue what the heck is in the dog (e.g. many boxer/lab mixes are called "pit mixes" by folks).

The reality is that we DO NOT have any reliable source of information on dog bite fatalities as related to breed, especially so when it comes to mixed breeds that could be any number of breeds, including or not including pit bull.  And even with the half-baked sources we DO have, it's still relatively meaningless.  The number of pit bulls vs. the number of pit bulls who have killed a person is hugely different.  The idea of demonizing an entire breed for what a small handful has done is ridiculous and completely illogical.

As a really "out there" example, far more children are killed by their own parents every year.  Yet I don't see you demonizing parents and saying all parents are bad and aggressive.