Is your dog trained off leash?

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    Is your dog trained off leash?

     I mean well enough that if he or she does get loose, can you get them back?  Neither of my dogs are unless we are out in the bush somewhere with very little distraction.  But I've come to realize that this is a problem.  Kind of a duh moment obviously, but I've just come to this point where I've decided that Crusher may never be 100% reliable off leash, that I've kind of quit trying.  I had him trained on a long line, but he was smart enough to know that when the line wasn't attached, he didn't have to listen.  So my next step was to use a remote collar, but again, he outsmarted me with that by waiting to be corrected once before coming back.  So in effect, he won't come back unless he's got the collar on.  Not so good if he gets loose by accident.  And I've decided its just not fair, nor is it safe.  I know he's a husky and any husky fan will tell you to just deal with the fact that they are just like that, but I'm not satisfied with that anymore.  I'm going to work on his off leash skills again, and in earnest this time. 

    I just wanted to know how many of you can reliably call your dogs to you, and to what level of distraction is that possible.  

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     A couple months ago I would say no when it came to Lillie and her chasing something. But I have worked hard and now she will come and leave it when I tell her.

    Cheyanne well is another story. She's a great dog. Soesnt do anything to get in trouble. But if we're out on a walk she is in her own little world. She really doesnt have to be called to me but in the rare case she did she wouldnt unless there was food involved.

    Im working on Joker. It's going good though.

    And Kujo hates me so she doesnt listen to me unless I have food.

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    I trust both of my girls off lead in my unfenced yard for potty breaks, but no playtime outdoors because they seem to forget their boundary work mid-zoomie and we're on a street.

    Ziva is completely reliable UNLESS a deer runs out in front of her - she won't go looking for prey but if it falls at her feet she's off.  She comes back after about 10 mins, even the one time her dog friend flushed a deer and he kept running after it.  I think she got outrun and decided coming back to me would be a good idea.

    Maggie is good in low distraction environments - i.e. no prey animals about.  She does well in the ring at agility and works nicely off lead in big fenced areas, but I don't trust her off lead in the woods because she's always on high alert when we're out hiking.  She has caught a rabbit and therefore is incredibly driven to do something similar again.

    I'm working Z's recall much more and would like to get an emergency sit or down on both girls, but I haven't had a lot of time to work on that.

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     I consider Kirby pretty darn reliable, but although I have put a lot of training into him, it is more his natural velcroness than anything else.  He doesn't want to go off on his own and would in fact dread loosing sight of me.  I don't really worry about the accidental getting loose with him because getting loose means nothing to him.  He doesn't have a desire for it so me dropping the leash, or a door being opened in front of him doesn't excite him.  In fact, since I generally walk him with a 15 foot lead, if I drop it he usually stops because he considers it too much effort to drag all that lead behind him.  Even with prey drive, he won't go after anything more than a hop jump unless I'm right there with him to back him up, cause you never know when those pesky ducks might take him on.  Yep, he is a little pansy.Stick out tongue

     That being said, I would never walk him off lead unless I was out in the woods or real country setting far away from roads.  To many factors around here like loose dogs and cars for me to want to play Russian Roulette with his life.

     I must admit I never got how the drag line method can be affective with a lot of dogs.  Kirby is what I often consider, lacking in common sense, but even he would know the difference between being on leash and off.  So far I've done all his training of come off lead in enclosed areas. I started by using his natural desire to want to return to me and placed a come command with hand signal.  This was my to be my ermergency call and I only used it during training, or if I had an emergency.  Normally, if I want him all I have to do is say his name.  Got my parents to play some ping pong puppy with him were you each take turns calling him and reward.  Then I slowly moved out to calling him outside with no distractions and slowly adding them and so on. 

    Oddly, I have developed an additional emergency come command, and I think now it is even stronger than the original.  It is a sharp loud bark.  Okay laugh if you will, but there is something about the bark that cues into him far more than any other verbal word.  He has always been stronger on visual commands, but so often when you need that emergency come their eyes aren't on you.  My bark can also carry farther than when I try to yell words. 

    I found this on accident when he was off in another room trying to mooch food from my father.  Barked, and he came running full speed to me.  I Thought it would be interesting to reward him and see if I could get him coming to me by a bark just for fun.  Within the next few minutes the command was cemented.

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    It depends with Diesel. For potty breaks (I have no yard) I don't walk him on a leash. He's offlead and stays on the path.

    It just depends. If a small animal is around, Diesel will take off and not listen. So he listens when there is no distraction haha. But I'm working on it, which is why I got a whistle.

    But all in all, he listens fairley well.

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    I would have to say its 50/50 for my dogs. I haven't actually trained them off leash. That being said, I do know for a certainty if Kali or Tina got out the front door, they'd go straight to my car and bark to get in. That's happened once or twice. So now every outing with them means going to the car first and giving them a great treat.

    I can't imagine Brianna taking off. But I haven't tested it. Poor Astra still gets carried around a lot! I have no idea what she would do.

    If Kali, Tina or Brianna slip their collars, I'm fairly certain they each would run back to me. They have their collars on 24/7 unless they're getting a bath or a brushing. I tend to take off their collars in the house when I'm doing mega body scritches. They just love getting their necks scratched. One of my fosters slipped her collar and went runnin back to her new owner for loving.

    Again, if Astra slipped her collar, I haven't a clue. She is so unlike any dog I've ever come across before. She truly marches to the beat of her own drummer.

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    I haven't proofed Shadow's recall in some distracting situations primarily because it is in public and we're on leash and he is so independent. There are times when he will now nose in the kitchen or "start" to chase Jade, not because those activities really interest him but because I will recall him or say off and he will do those things, expecting a reward. How's that for a smarty butt with a complicated chain?

    I once read of a guy with a Sibe and they won off-leash obedience awards. One day, off leash, and not "working" i.e. showing obedience, the dog sniff something and was off like a shot, never to be seen again. But you can certainly look at the training as additional bonding time. That's how I look at it. Shadow already knows these things. He just does it get a reaction and get the exchange. He's a working dog, even if we aren't actually pulling a sled or cart.

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    Just wanted to say that I wouldn't trust by dog right now for anything...he is big and has long legs and can run much faster than me...so if he take off...it would be really hard to catch him. And he is a puppy....a 7 mo old Dane.

    However....my DH and I take him in the back yard which is tiny ( live in a cluster home development )  and there is some brush after the open area...and then a farm behind me. Fencing seperating my yard from the farm is half down..so not very secure. BUT we throw toys to get him to fetch and get exercised weather permitting.....and when he is off leash is is better than on leash.  He will pull us anywhere to see a neighbor or garbage man when on his leash...then jump on everyone. However...when he is off leash...he starts to go by them...we say his name...he stops and looks at them and then at us....and comes by us. It is shocking to me to see him do that...because he pretty much is a pain in the butt when he is on his leash.     

    I don't trust him still......but I am beginning to.

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    Luke has been pretty much 100% off leash since day one -- I don't even recall ever doing any real training for it.  We did basic obedience stuff when he was young, but he's just always been trustworthy and sticks right next to me.  I'm very lucky with him!

    With Kaiser, I have to admit that I've turned into a chicken.  He gave me a couple of scares when he was younger, by getting a bit too close to the road or what not.  He's not a runner (as in, take off into nowhere at a blind run), but he DOES get distracted and tune me out at times.  If I have treats and it's a training session he is perfect -- but if the dogs are just running around free, he definitely will weigh his options and I'm probably not going to be high on that list without treats.

    All of the Klee Kai breeders stress that Klee Kai are not to be allowed off leash, ever, because of their Husky-like tendencies to run.  I scoffed at this at first, but I do tend to follow that rule now since I would really, really hate to see something happen to Kaiser.

    He is focused during our agility work, so I don't see that as being a problem.  It's just the off leash play time that concerns me.  I love my fenced in yard!!

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     Depends on the situation - not at all in places where I would never have him off-lead.  In parks, woods and hiking spots, yes I can call him off anything that might turn up. 

    I am fairly certain that if Ben ever did get out of the house on his own, he'd go to the park.  He'd be off-lead and to a dog that doesn't generalise well, park is where he gets to be off-lead.  

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    Kenya, yep.  Never leashed unless required by law (walking down the sidewalk, at the pet store, at a dog show...). 

    Coke, NO, lol.  Not at all, unless we are at a park area that is fenced.

    Nikon, basically yes.  He's only 13 weeks though.  I think DH uses a leash with him to let him out but I don't.  Actually I just stand on the porch and wait.  He pushes the screen door open, pees, comes back and scratches at the door for me to open it.  He's started testing the boundaries at home when we are playing in the yard.  He keeps going to a hole in the neighbor's yard that their dog started, or crawling under a hole in the fence.  I've been working on recalls and yesterday he kinda wandered off 4 times and each time I said "Nikon come!" and he came sprinting back to me.  Yay!  I didn't have any treats to give so I did my own little play bow, let him lick all over my face and praised him.  Inside the house when we do our mini-training I've been doing tricks like putting down a treat to distract him, then I run upstairs and hide in a different room, then recall him.  So he's starting to get used to coming back even when he can't see me.

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     I hate to say it but I could have written your post. Dakota knew when a leash was on or not. She knew when she could get away without listening. I never could trust her off leash (no matter how much I tried) until this past year (at 15 yrs old!). She was too old to want to run anymore. I could still see that decision being made though when I called her. She would stand there, look at me, look away from me in the direction she really wanted to go......then she would decide to come back to me. She did the exact same thing when she was younger, but she always decided to go the way she wanted to go and not come back to me....until she was ready.

    I don't want to be a party pooper but I really think you should accept it, for Crusher's sake.

    Btw: Neiko I trust 100% off leash. Lily I trust 99% off leash. She will always come, but she does a "victory lap" before coming back to me. Abbie I trust 20% but that's because I haven't worked with her. That 20% is just the velcro aussie in her. They naturally stick to their people.

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    Chyna, Bevo, Brinxx, & Schatzi are 100% reliable off leash.  I leash them only when I absolutely have to.  (ie..walking in the city, inside stores, or vet's orders)  I can call them off of wildlife, off games of chase with each other, & off a scent trail that is very interesting to them.

    Shooter is generally great off leash as well.  I can call him off of anything except snakes.  When he sees a snake his little mind shifts into "OMG, there's a snake.  Screw mom, must kill it!" mode.  Hmm  I'm in search of a snake aversion class to try to help us deal with this little issue.

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     Tootsie is so velcro with me, she would never leave my side. She also has no prey drive, so yes she is 100% reliable off leash.

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    Apollo very reliable off leash. He can be going for something (he doesn't have a prey drive though) and I just have to say "Apollo come!" or even just a whistle and he pulls a U-turn. Actually, he is way better off leash when it comes to everything like he's polite and social with other dogs, heels, leaves it, etc.