AND OBAMA WINS!

rwbeagles

McCain was very gracious, his speech impressed me. I wish I'd seen more of that side of him...it was nice. I wish him well.

Ditto.

cyclefiend2000

i have no faith in any of our legislative branch, and likely will not vote again. good luck with your government. 

If you don't vote you can't complain.

I totally agree Liesje.  I don't think at this point, that, barring something extraordinary, that anything could have prevented a win, and a decisive win, last night.  People are pretty annoyed and the bank fiasco and gas prices were just the nail in the coffin for the Republicans.

I think McCain would have made a better Pres than a lot of people gave him credit for, during this campaign, but for some reason he decided not to show THAT man to the people who could have chosen to put him there.  Oh well.  My feeling is that if you can't manage a campaign, you don't deserve public office.  He lost to Bush twice, for Pete's sake.  He's a clever man but he's oddly deficient in his choices in administration. 

So, to the winner goes the spoils.  Which by the way is the principle which governs the situation with Biden's senatorial seat.  It dates back to Jackson.  It's a bit smarmy when you have been in office for a million years as Biden has - normally it's done instead, when the Senator is relatively young - but it's just another political choice.  As Myra said it will be up to the voters to decide whether they've been given the "bait and switch" in six years.

The Obamas definitely are getting a puppy.  A shelter dog?  I don't know - that's hard to believe - generally when someone says puppy it means they are going shopping at a breeder.  Usually a dogless Pres puts the finger to the wind and selects one of the top ten AKC breeds.  It didn't work out well for the last Presidential dog, so I'm not all that excited by the idea. 

Yes, I agree, the country NEEDED a change.  But, I do wish that we had seen more of last nights McCain than we saw during the campaigne.

I was really disappointed that McCains supporters showed so little class, booing O'Bama.  The man himself was a class act last night, his supporters, disappointingly, not so much.

BlackLabbie

cyclefiend2000

i have no faith in any of our legislative branch, and likely will not vote again. good luck with your government. 

If you don't vote you can't complain.

really? i didnt realize that was a stipulation of free speech?

If they stick to what Michelle said a while back, it's a she;ter/rescue dog or pup.

See: http://www.obamafamilydog.com

fuzzy_dogs_mom

Not wanting to start anything, but could someone please explain to me just what it is about Obama that has so many people terrified?  I was  talking to my (conservative Republican) friend on the phone tonight and I think she's preparing for armageddon. I'd just really like to understand where all this fear is coming from and exactly what it is people are so  afraid of.

Joyce

I don't understand all the fear among the right wing.  I also have friends who act like they need to stock up on ammo and hunker down for the next four years!!  They ask me "aren't you scared?" and I respond that they need to turn off the TV and the talk radio and they will find that this country will be just fine.

LAST WEEK I HAD DOCTOR APPOITMNT WITH EYE DOCTOR AND WITH BONE DOCTOR.  THOSE TWO VISITS RAN ME $70--NOT TO MENTION THE BILL I WILLGET FOR  WHAT INSURANCE DOES NOT PAY.  hUBBY HAD A DENTAL APPOINTMENT--OUR SHARE WAS $54 AND A DOCTOR APPOINTMENT FOR SINUS PROBLEM, ANOTHER $35 PLUS A BILL LATER FOR WHAT INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY.  HE HAD TO GET $47 PRESCRIPTIONS.  THIS WEEK I HAD LAB WORK DONEYESTERDAY, GO TO EYE DOCTOR TODAY, GO T MY REGULDOCTOR FRIAY, THAT IS $105 BEFORE I GET BILLS FOR WHAT INSURANCE DOES NOT PAY.  I PICKED UP PRESCRIPTION YESTERDAY THAT WAS $63 LAST MONTH, $67.23 THIS MONRHT.  sO NOT COUNTIG WHAT WE WILL BE BILLED FOR 6 DOCTOR'S OFFICE VISITS THAT INSURANCE DOES NOT PAY, WE ARE OUT $378 IN TWO WEEKS.  aND WE PAY $400 A MONTH FOR THIS INSURACE.

 I WAS EVACUATED 200 MILES ORTH FOR HURRICANE IKE WHEN I ELL AND BROKE MY NOSE, MY LEFT THUMB AND GOT A SERIOU GASH ON NOSE AND CHEEK.  MY BROTHER, A AUSTIN FIREMAN AND EMT RUSHED ME TO THE HOSPITAL EMERGENCY.  I WAS POURING BLOOD OUT O BOTH SIDES OF MY NOSE AND IT WAS RUNNING DOWN MY THROAT AND GAGGING ME.  I WAS POURING BLOOD FROM THE GASH ON MY FACE (9STITCHESO CLSE IT).  I HAD A HUGE HEMATOM ON THE BACK OF MYLOEFT HAND AND A LARGE KNOT ON MY FOREARM..  IT WAS TOUGHT AT THE TIME MY THUMB WA JUST SPRAINED.

 THE DOCTOR TRIED T CHARGE $1119, BUT INSURANCE DISALLOWED$777.  THEY PAID #108 N I A TUCK WTH $23 BECAUE TWAOT FNETWRK DOOR". I ENDED UP PAYING $300 OF THE $900 HOPITAL BILL.  AND WE PAY $400 A MONTH FOR THIS INSURANCE.

MY HUSBAND WORKS HIS BUTT OFF, STAYING IN THAT RIG AND OUT ON THE ROAD FOR AS LONG AS 3 WEEKS.  MISSED OUR YOUNGEST SON'S GRADUATION, MISSED OUR OLDEST SON'S WEDDING, HAS MISSED THANKSGIVING  CUPLE OFTIMES, GOTTEN IN ON CHRISTMAS DAY A COUPLE F TIMES.  IT COSTS HIM AN ARM AND LEG TO EAT OUT ON THE ROAD, DO LAUNDRY.  AND WE PAY $400 A MONTH FOR INSURANCE THAT PAYS SO LITTLE.  SO WHY NOT DROP IT AND GET THE FREE STUFF?  OF COURSE WE WILL NOT DO THAT.   BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.  MY HUSBAND WORKS SO HARD AT 64 TO MAKE A LIVING FOR US DHGE DEEPLY RESENT HAVING  SO MUCH OF HIS HARD EARNED MONEY GIVEN AWAY, ESPECIALLY IF IT GOES TO FOLKS WHO WILL NOT WORK---AND MY ONE DIL COMES FROM ONE SUCH FAMILY.  WE DONAT TO CHURC, TO THE FOOD BANK AT CHURCH AND TO PLACES LIKE BOYS TOWN, CAL FARLEY'S RANCH, SHRINER, ST. JUDE, ETC.  BUT WE WANT O OPT WHEREOUR MNEY GOES, MAKE SURE IT GOES WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD GO.

I AM RELALY LOOKING FORWARD TO OBAMA GETTING ALL THEE COMPANIES TO MOVE BACK TO AMERICA.  MAYBE MY BROTHER WILL GET HIS WESTINGHOUSE JOB BACK, HIS EX-GIRLFIRNED GET HER INSURANCE JOB BACK, HIS DIL GET HER INURANCE JOB BACK. THIS WOULD BE GREAT.  PERSONALLY I DO NOT THINK A PRESIDENT HAS A THING TO DO WITH COMPANIES MOVING OUT OF COUNTRY OR MOVING BACK.

brookcove

Throughout history, the party that stands where the Republicans do, has expired periodically and has been replaced. I believe that it's about to happen again, though it will be a generation-long process as usual.

Liesje

BCMixs

 I'm thrilled!    I think McCain's speech was first class.  I think he's a great guy.  I think he just made some mistakes during his campaign and lost control of it to his party.  I didn't agree with his plans or views but I respect him a great deal.

 

Ditto, though I'm not sure I'd blame the loss entirely on him and his campaign (or the Palin choice).  Everyone I know voted the way I expected them to vote over a year ago.  The campaigns didn't seem to change people's opinions much, maybe just polarize things more and push some dems even farther left and some republicans farther right.  I think McCain just lost, not because of anything specific HE did, but people wanted a change, a democrat, Obama.  I hope that makes sense.....

That does make sense.  I was speaking more to my opinion as I watched things progress.  I was actually planning to vote for him once Hillary was out, but as I paid more attention to the campaign after the primaries, what I saw was his campaign became more and more negative and fear mongering (VA was inundated with the "Dangerous" commercials about Obama) and during the interviews and debates whenever he (McCain) was asked a direct question about an issue, he'd start his response with "Well, Obama did.....X".  After a while it really drove me bonkers, I felt I never heard a direct answer, just finger pointing.  Once he chose Palin, I was done.  Maybe I'm wearing blinders, I just don't see him as the kind of guy who would deliberately take the campaign in that negative direction, it didn't feel true to me after watching him for many years, it seemed a departure from the guy he usually came across as.  I still see him as a more stand up guy than what I saw during the campaign. 

jenn52

brookcove

Throughout history, the party that stands where the Republicans do, has expired periodically and has been replaced. I believe that it's about to happen again, though it will be a generation-long process as usual.

Why are all the dems saying this?   46% of the country still voted for McCain.  Obviously there are still some republicans out there. 

I don't think there's any Democrats saying this, that I've heard.  I'm not sure, I don't really listen to much news/TV - talk radio yes but not much of that either.  It's just the pattern that seems to be developing.  I don't see that the Republican party successfully is conveying any particular stand on any issue people actually think pertains to government at this point.  I voted for McCain and as I say I think he would have made a fine Pres.

The fact is that the Republicans came darned close to becoming a non-entity in a governing sense, this time around.  Just a few more seats going to the Dems would have meant they could do anything they wanted, without considering those 46% of us who voted on the other side.  The US has a two party system - any party that loses that much power WILL be replaced very shortly.

It's not that our views are going to be trampled underfoot - it's that some party will move to position itself to better match those views.

But I'm curious to know whether anyone has heard anyone else saying this.  That would be funny since I'm about as far from a "Dem" as possible and still be in the tradition of American politics. 

Sandra I really hope things get better for you and your husband.  Patrick's dad is still driving a truck at near 70 and with chronic emphysema - they've only given him a couple of years on that and thus he will most likely spend that behind the wheel.  Though, we are hoping to have much, much longer than that with him!  :D

We're looking at spending quite a bit on  my deal though thank goodness it could have been much more.  Apparently the insurance company considers this a semi-emergency.

I too believe the best use of charitable money is spent privately but there's a deeply ingrained belief in the US that the Feds should "do something" when problems arise.  And that will never end - the bureaucracy will only expand itself as bureaucracies are inclined to do.

JackieG

They ask me "aren't you scared?" and I respond that they need to turn off the TV and the talk radio and they will find that this country will be just fine.

I actually think we'll see very little change for our personal lives. I hope I'm wrong and we see huge, positive changes, but I guess I'm just cynical about what politicians say they'll do and what they actually do. Some of the plans that were proposed by both sides are probably just wishful thinking. Still, we vote for the one whose wishful thinking most closely matches our own. I'm pretty conservative (and no, I'm not rich) and didn't vote for Obama, but I truly hope that he's a huge success for all of our sakes. I'd love to say in 4 yrs from now - "wow, this has been great! Let's go for another 4"

On a side note - our new Mayor-elect was heavily endorsed by the fire fighters union because he promised his support, specifically regarding budget cuts and layoffs. Since then, he's said he may not be able to keep some of the promises he made. Really???

My sister, God love her, is already planning to hunker down.  She predicts a disaster for our nation.  She fears for the future for her grandchildren.  Funny, that's how I felt should the Republicans have taken it all.

It amazes me sometimes that we are related.  We are such polar opposites in so darned many things.  Medical marijuana?  Gosh, they can take a pill.  Let me tell you as someone who has used BOTH for pain relief, the smoking kind is far faster and far more effective. Stem cell research?  From embryo's created by IVF that are in excess of what are wanted/will be used?  Murder.  Pure and simple.  O'Bama?  Disaster for our nation.

I fear that people like her, and a LOT of folks DID vote for McCain, will not do as O'Bama has asked and HELP get our nation back where it belongs.

The latest she told me this morning is that the radio "experts" are saying that O'Bama is not a US citizen despite being born in Hawaii, because his MOTHER was born in Kenya and might not have been a US citizen when he was born.  Sigh.  Does it never end?