rwbeagles-debate

Truely thanks...I hadn't heard of this issue...makes for interesting reading.

Truley

You might want Bill Ayers Ron, but I want to hear more about the "Keating 5" myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing and violated no laws. And, even at that time, he was recommending stronger oversight and controls (sound familiar?). In retrospect, he has stated that getting involved in that (a closed meeting with regulators and Keating) was one of his worst mistakes.

Obama still won't talk about Ayers.

ron2

McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing and violated no laws. And, even at that time

Oh...has Obama been found guilty of wrong doing and violated some laws?

What was McCain supposed to say Ron? "I don't care what you say investigators...I like the guy!" He followed the script...good for him.

Well, now, it wasn't my idea to compare a faulty s & l company to blowing up buildings and people dying. And no, Obama hasn't broken any laws, that I know of. He was about 7 years old when Ayers was blowing up police stations, about 7 when one of Ayers' friends was making a bomb packed with nails (in order to inflict more damage on flesh) and the bomb exploded prematurely in the Greenwich Village apartment where some meetings took place. It's possible that, in 45 years, Obama never learned of the background of someone who's house he's been to for a party in his honor. And it is a free country. Anyone may vote for someone who is friends with a terrorist, I suppose. But we won't know because Obama won't talk about it. Unlike McCain, who has talked about the Keating problem. And, again, with Keating, some people lost some money. With Ayers, some lost their lives and plenty of police officers had the extra death threat of walking into an exploding building. And the families of those police officers probably have an opinion, too. I wonder if they think Keating's legerdemain is on par with that of the Weathermen.

Ron, your doing guilt by association.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

and

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828.column

Seems like a moot point and reaching, really really reaching.....................

I did not watch the debate....what did I miss?

Truley

I did not watch the debate....what did I miss?

Not a whole lot ... except (and this is JMO) McCain made a bit of a fool out of himself by refusing to look at or speak directly to Obama in spite of being asked to numerous  times by the moderator and Obama came across as more intelligent, more likeable and more in touch with reality.  The next one between the  two of them should be more interesting since the paper said it would be in a Town Hall forum with questions from the audience and people on-line.

Joyce

The Washington Post article was partisan politics masquerading as fact-checking.

The Chicago Tribune article, however, is more factually based and, IMO, a fair rebuttal. (My bad for introducing this subject in this thread. I should have started another thread. And kudos to the mods and admin for allowing us leeway.)

Disregarding that the Watergate scandal was about espionage and burglary of materials rather than blowing up buildings and people getting killed, Liddy is certainly suspect for his statements and McCain dubious for not denouncing those statements and distancing himself. Nor do I think Obama is a terrorist for associating with Ayers at the educational level. But, obviously, some poor judgement on the parts of both.

Well done, Truley.