Obama said what?

Pit_Pointer_Aussie

snownose

Felons are allowed to vote after they are released.

 

 

I am not sure what you mean by this. 

I don't know any felons in the service. As far as active members in the service they could not get in without a drivers license and no felonies on their records.

But, just to play devil's advocate....whatever happened to giving a person a second chance after he/she paid their dues? 

aerial1313

People are jumping all over this middle name thing, but I remember a thread on this forum not too long ago that turned into a Bush bashfest with all kinds of name calling and the folks doing that name calling didn't address the legitimate issues others brought up then, either, so it does go both ways. 

THANK YOU!!

I just love how people will level one juvenile insult after another at Bush and often his supporters, but poop kittens when the situation is reversed.  I realize that this might come as a shock to some, but referring to a sitting president as "The Shrub" or calling a presidential candidate "McSame" is no more intelligent than using another candidate's middle name as a political dig.        

Liesje

Ron, I think a LOT of people knew people involved in 9-11.  Everyone lost something or someone that day.  Not only that, but it was my birthday and I went there with the Red Cross a few weeks later.  The sights and sounds were terrible enough but what I will never forget is the smell....Still, not enough to make presumptions about someone who did not choose his own name and is not a Muslim anyway.  I don't think that feeling passionately about 9-11 and instantly suspecting all people with a Muslim/East African/Middle Eastern name have to go hand in hand.  Now I'm sure my patriotism and compassion for what happened on 9-11 will be called into question but whatever, I don't feel like ripping open old wounds every time a thread that so much as mentions Obama comes around.

I wasn't aware that was happening and I think you missed my point. But one of these days, you might understand. Maybe not. It could be a generation thing.

Now, to reverse field on something else in this thread. As I mentioned before, I deeply respect McCain for his service to our country. He has gone above and beyond the call in more ways than one and to this day still bleeds, as he gets slammed by everyone. Yet he sustains his energy and drive to his primary mission, to help people. But that doesn't mean he would be the best president. For example, I think he is weak on energy policy, voting the way of the political wind. He has made statements as mundane and politically "safe" as Obama. Neither one, that I can see, is truly up to the task on that. Another test of ability would be what to do about Iraq and Iran.

But sticking to the OT, what Obama said makes good sense as far as getting the most use out of the fuel that you use. But proper tire inflation does not create fuel, it simply provides a higher efficiency ratio of horsepower to the road. So, he goofed. He made a blunder worthy of McCain. Or Bush. So, he's human.

And I think it's tough for us to discuss any of this. I know it's tough enough for me because I stink at politics.

"Everyone goes home." (extra points if any one can tell where that comes from.)

IrishSetterGrl

*sigh* IMO everyone who loves Obama does so because he's got this celebrity status...he's being treated like the freaking second coming of the Messiah. It's kind of a cult-like thing, the following he has now. CREEPY. 

See, THIS is what freaks me out about Obama and is one of the reasons that I will not be voting for him.  I am naturally suspicious of any person that people are absolutely throwing themselves at unquestionably.  The press consistently refers to him as a "rock star," audience members swoon at his speeches, people go on and on about he is this shining beacon of hope (although a disturbing number of those people don't know what he stands for other than "change";), he can do no wrong.........it all makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

The fact is, he is a man that is power hungry enough to try to become president.  That ALONE should make people wary of him (that goes for McCain too, BTW).  In a job as important as that of the president, each candidate needs to be gone over by each voter with a fine tooth comb--the good, the bad, and the ugly.  However, it seems that some have forgotten this and decided for whatever reason that Obama is some sort of savior--a last symbol of hope (how sad an existence must that be--your last ray of hope is some Illinois politician (of all things) you've never even met).

He's just a man, and if elected he will fall to earth at some point, and we have to just pray that when that happens he doesn't drag the country down with him. 

IDK, I certainly could be wrong and if I am I'll gladly eat crow, but something about the entire situation does not sit right with me. 

When I was at the movies this weekend there was a line in the preview for "Watchmen" that I now think of whenever Obama the "savior/rock star/last hope" is discussed:

"The world will look up and shout 'Save us!'... And I'll whisper 'No.'"

*edited repeatedly because I am evidently grammatically impaired tonight..... 
 

ron2

But sticking to the OT, what Obama said makes good sense as far as getting the most use out of the fuel that you use. But proper tire inflation does not create fuel, it simply provides a higher efficiency ratio of horsepower to the road. So, he goofed. He made a blunder worthy of McCain. Or Bush. So, he's human.

How is it a blunder if his platform is not seeking to increase domestic drilling?  He doesn't want to create more fuel, he wants alternative energy sources and wants people to be more responsible with their consumption of resources.  I don't see it as a blunder at all.  It fits well within his platform and made his point.  People can agree or disagree, but just because one might disagree with his energy plan doesn't make it a "blunder". 

sillysally

IrishSetterGrl

*sigh* IMO everyone who loves Obama does so because he's got this celebrity status...he's being treated like the freaking second coming of the Messiah. It's kind of a cult-like thing, the following he has now. CREEPY. 

 

See, THIS is what freaks me out about Obama and is one of the reasons that I will not be voting for him.  I am naturally suspicious of any person that people are absolutely throwing themselves at unquestionably.

I personally don't know anyone who is "throwing themself" at Obama w/o questions.  I would question anyone who did that, just as I would (and do) question McCain supporters who can't state any logical reason for their support.

The fact is, he is a man that is power hungry enough to try to become president.  That ALONE should make people wary of him (that goes for McCain too, BTW).  In a job as important as that of the president, each candidate needs to be gone over by each voter with a fine tooth comb--the good, the bad, and the ugly.  However, it seems that some have forgotten this and decided for whatever reason that Obama is some sort of savior

I agree regarding we should all be wary of anyone who wants to be POTUS.  However, your statement that some have forgotten this could just as well be applied to McCain supporters.  I know a few people who insist they will vote for him simply because he "served our country" and was a POW, and can offer no other reason for their support.  That makes no more sense to me than voting for someone because he offers hope/change.

He's just a man, and if elected he will fall to earth at some point, and we have to just pray that when that happens he doesn't drag the country down with him.

Agreed, with the caveat that the same thing is true of McCain.

I completely agree with sillysally's post.

The biggest thorn in my side is the 146 working days in the Senate.....jeez, folks, is that enough your eyes? Would you prefer to have a serious operation done by a person who just had been in surgery for 146 days?

Liesje, your big support of dems is a bit surprising to me.....Michigan is a democratic state, has been for a long time and take a good look at how they have run it into the ground.

sillysally

aerial1313

People are jumping all over this middle name thing, but I remember a thread on this forum not too long ago that turned into a Bush bashfest with all kinds of name calling and the folks doing that name calling didn't address the legitimate issues others brought up then, either, so it does go both ways. 

 

THANK YOU!!

I just love how people will level one juvenile insult after another at Bush and often his supporters, but poop kittens when the situation is reversed.  I realize that this might come as a shock to some, but referring to a sitting president as "The Shrub" or calling a presidential candidate "McSame" is no more intelligent than using another candidate's middle name as a political dig.        

Well I only speak for myself, but I voted for Bush, he's not the first or the last Republican I've voted for.  I don't ever remember starting threads or posting in threads just to bash him and I don't remember ever insulting him based on his name and his family's heritage.  To me those types of comments are racist, no matter who says them and at which candidate they are directed.  I am disgusted with plenty of the actions coming from BOTH sides but at the end of the day I vote based on PLATFORM, not media spin and what each candidate's PR people are saying about the other candidate.  It's obvious that all of these "issues" supposedly tainting either candidate are usually statements not even made by them or based on assumptions made by the other party (ie, the thing about Obama taking newspeople to a military hospital, totally made up!).  Other peoples' opinions simply do not matter to me and how I vote.  "Issues" to me are not campaign moves, they are health care, national security, foreign policy, public education.....

snownose

Liesje, your big support of dems is a bit surprising to me.....Michigan is a democratic state, has been for a long time and take a good look at how they have run it into the ground.

Well, thanks for telling me who I supposedly support, lol.  Neither Obama nor McCain was my candidate of choice.  I voted straight ticket Republican last time around and voted for DeVos for governor.  All the LOCAL politicians I know personally and support are Republicans, but at a local level (at least around here) party affiliation is more of a formality thank God! Which goes along with my point earlier that LOCAL government affects people a lot more than they realize and is deserving of a lot more time than getting panties in a bundle over campaign strategy.

Liesje

Well, thanks for telling me who I supposedly support, lol.  Neither Obama nor McCain was my candidate of choice.  I voted straight ticket Republican last time around and voted for DeVos for governor.  All the LOCAL politicians I know personally and support are Republicans, but at a local level (at least around here) party affiliation is more of a formality thank God! Which goes along with my point earlier that LOCAL government affects people a lot more than they realize and is deserving of a lot more time than getting panties in a bundle over campaign strategy.

LOL, sorry for assuming.......maybe, now, you can understand how the dems scare me.

McCain wasn't my choice, I was disappointed when he got the nomination.

Liesje

sillysally

aerial1313

People are jumping all over this middle name thing, but I remember a thread on this forum not too long ago that turned into a Bush bashfest with all kinds of name calling and the folks doing that name calling didn't address the legitimate issues others brought up then, either, so it does go both ways. 

 

THANK YOU!!

I just love how people will level one juvenile insult after another at Bush and often his supporters, but poop kittens when the situation is reversed.  I realize that this might come as a shock to some, but referring to a sitting president as "The Shrub" or calling a presidential candidate "McSame" is no more intelligent than using another candidate's middle name as a political dig.        

 

Well I only speak for myself, but I voted for Bush, he's not the first or the last Republican I've voted for.  I don't ever remember starting threads or posting in threads just to bash him and I don't remember ever insulting him based on his name and his family's heritage.  To me those types of comments are racist, no matter who says them and at which candidate they are directed.  I am disgusted with plenty of the actions coming from BOTH sides but at the end of the day I vote based on PLATFORM, not media spin and what each candidate's PR people are saying about the other candidate.  It's obvious that all of these "issues" supposedly tainting either candidate are usually statements not even made by them or based on assumptions made by the other party (ie, the thing about Obama taking newspeople to a military hospital, totally made up!).  Other peoples' opinions simply do not matter to me and how I vote.  "Issues" to me are not campaign moves, they are health care, national security, foreign policy, public education.....

I was not talking about you specifically, but both of the anti-republican examples have been said by people on this board (I just did not think it was appropriate to mention them by name).  I agree that these things should be about issues, not silliness like names.  I just find it amusing that people (in general) are more than happy to go after Bush at every turn but bristle at the idea that Obama would be given the same treatment.

Liesje

To me those types of comments are racist, no matter who says them and at which candidate they are directed. 

 sorry but this is another one that gets under my skin. If you disagree with Obama you are a racist, if you question his associations with certain people you are a racist, if you question comments made by his wife on the campaign trail you are a racist, if you make any reference to his legal middle name you are a racist.

 I grew up in the south, raised by a white man who lost a lot because he was not a racist, one who taught me that racism is wrong and that fighting to make it a thing of the past was worth it.  It offends me to be called a racist because I dislike Obama and because I question these legitimate things about him. It has nothing to do with his color and has everything to do with his lack of experience, those he associated with (many of which are hard core racists, but I guess racism is okay providing you are black) and where he stands on the issues that are important to me.

 So I guess if questioning him, or refering to his actual legal name or better still not voting for him, makes one a racist then I guess I will have to stand up with pride and declare myself a racist under this new definition of racism.

Myra

sillysally

IrishSetterGrl

*sigh* IMO everyone who loves Obama does so because he's got this celebrity status...he's being treated like the freaking second coming of the Messiah. It's kind of a cult-like thing, the following he has now. CREEPY. 

 

See, THIS is what freaks me out about Obama and is one of the reasons that I will not be voting for him.  I am naturally suspicious of any person that people are absolutely throwing themselves at unquestionably.

 

I personally don't know anyone who is "throwing themself" at Obama w/o questions.  I would question anyone who did that, just as I would (and do) question McCain supporters who can't state any logical reason for their support.

The fact is, he is a man that is power hungry enough to try to become president.  That ALONE should make people wary of him (that goes for McCain too, BTW).  In a job as important as that of the president, each candidate needs to be gone over by each voter with a fine tooth comb--the good, the bad, and the ugly.  However, it seems that some have forgotten this and decided for whatever reason that Obama is some sort of savior

 

I agree regarding we should all be wary of anyone who wants to be POTUS.  However, your statement that some have forgotten this could just as well be applied to McCain supporters.  I know a few people who insist they will vote for him simply because he "served our country" and was a POW, and can offer no other reason for their support.  That makes no more sense to me than voting for someone because he offers hope/change.

He's just a man, and if elected he will fall to earth at some point, and we have to just pray that when that happens he doesn't drag the country down with him.

 

Agreed, with the caveat that the same thing is true of McCain.

Perhaps we are watching two different elections unfold, but I have not seen anywhere NEAR the insane hype for McCain that there has been for Obama. 

Actually, a great deal of voters in McCain's own party were not thrilled about the nomination.  He gets it from the right for not being conservative enough, and from the left from being the same as Bush .  The was nearly as much loud opposition *against* McCain by the right wing that there has been *for* Obama on the left. 

It is a rarity that you hear about an appearance by Obama without the report mentioning "rock star"--at least in the Chicago media.  While I agree that nobody should be voting for McCain just because he was in the military, I have not seen him propped on a pedestal like Obama has been.

In addition, I have only met one or two Obama supporter who can actually tell me what Obama stands(other than "he's for change";).  Usually they get as far as "he's for change in Washington," then they kind of peter out. 

How exactly is Obama going to be so different from every other politician in America?  It's not like he comes from any kind of impressive, fresh, new political background.  He's from Illinois--Chicago specifically, stronghold of the political "machine."  They have one governor in jail, one well on his way, and even though the Dems run the entire state (and have for years) they can barely stop fighting among themselves long enough to get anything done.  One of Obama's political friends was thrown in the pokey not too long ago as well. 

He's mentioned getting out of Iraq (something that was also mentioned by Hillary).  His stance on other foreign relations issues? "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."  The idea of hunting down terrorists in foreign countries whether said country's government is on board or not is hardly a new stance either.

His no-drilling stance is not exactly novel, his economic plan includes lots of social programs, which are not exactly something unheard of by a democrat. 

The fact is that thanks to the media and some overzealous college students (my cousin is a student at Brown and says the Obama-mania is out of control out there), support for Obama seems to have become trendy, and IMHO, trends are for handbags, not potential presidents.

Obama's not anything new, he's just a liberal.  now, He's impressively liberal--I'll give him that, but just liberal all the same.  

Truley

dgriego

Myra

This (and similar juvenile, repugnant tactics) are the reason that I will not consider voting Republican.

 

  I find it hysterical that so many Obamanites get so worked up over someone calling him by his middle name. It is his middle name, not one I assigned him, not one the republicans assigned him, but one given to him by his father and carried by him all of his life. if the name is so terrible that the mere use of it enrages you, then why not go to the source and ask him to please change it.

 If there is nothing wrong with the name why does the use of it enrage everyone? I really must get me one of those bumper stickers now, the ones that say Barack Hussein Obama.....deal with it.  The name itself does not bother me either way, but I do enjoy irritating liberals.

Yes it is his middle name, not his first. So why do McCain supporters feel the need to harp on his middle name?

If everyone who insisted on referring to Obama as B. Hussein Obama, always called McCain J. Sidney McCain I wouldn't have a problem with it. But nobody ever does, do they? All the playing on Obama's name is just a rather desperate cheap shot.
 

IrishSetterGrl

*sigh* IMO everyone who loves Obama does so because he's got this celebrity status...he's being treated like the freaking second coming of the Messiah. It's kind of a cult-like thing, the following he has now. CREEPY. And he would definitely NOT be in the position he is now if he weren't black.

That's just a right wing fabrication. I know a lot of people who are going to vote for Obama. Not a single one of them cares about celebrity status. Not a single one worships him with a cult-like devotion. Not a single one of them thinks he's the second coming of the messiah. And they don't care what race he is either.