Just Curious if anyone else is angry over this?

I do agree with you and am also angered by it.  But I am not surprised at the 5-4 decision.  I didn't see it in the article, but I have no doubts as to who the 5 justices were that were in the majority on this.  Sigh.

it makes me sick... what our country is turning in to...  or i should say has ALREADY turned into.

i'm rather patriotic but its wearing thin. everything my ancestors and friends are fighting for is hardly worth it these days.

everything has to be fair, equal, and you must be nice no matter who is spitting in your face and trying to take away your rights.

madness... pure madness... 

dgriego

I wonder if these terrorists will be so kind as to award such rights to my son should he fall and be captured in combat.

Whoa. We're supposed to be BETTER THAN THEM. That's why THEY are "terrorists" and WE are "good guys"! THANK GOD we're granting these people basic rights. THANK GOD we actually, for one moment in time, are proving ourselves "good guys", because I don't know about anyone else, but for a good part of the past 7 years I've been doubtful that there ARE any 'good guys' in this war! I can't believe anyone is actually against granting ANYONE, EVEN SUSPECTED TERRORISTS, basic rights. I can't believe, even with all the stories of torturing innocents at Guantanamo, anyone can be against this ruling. I seriously can't understand.

what do you mean for one moment?

chelsea_b

Whoa. We're supposed to be BETTER THAN THEM. That's why THEY are "terrorists" and WE are "good guys"! THANK GOD we're granting these people basic rights. THANK GOD we actually, for one moment in time, are proving ourselves "good guys", because I don't know about anyone else, but for a good part of the past 7 years I've been doubtful that there ARE any 'good guys' in this war! I can't believe anyone is actually against granting ANYONE, EVEN SUSPECTED TERRORISTS, basic rights. I can't believe, even with all the stories of torturing innocents at Guantanamo, anyone can be against this ruling. I seriously can't understand.

I agree.

It's amazing to me how easily a group of thugs and a couple of unethical bullies (Bush and Cheney) managed to undermine the very foundation of our "goodness".  Hopefully this is the start of getting some of it back.

DumDog

what do you mean for one moment?

I mean it'll probably be overturned, cause that's how Bushy do. Or else he'll find some other way around it, no doubt...

dgriego

Personally I hope the military is smart enough from this point forward to stop capturing any “terrorists or insurgents” and just sends them to Allah instead

I can at least hope. What's not mentioned is how much it is costing us taxpayers to care for and feed the detainees. I agree, release them, then shoot them. A true terrorist will not submit to interrogation and considers themselves a martyr for being jailed. Simply kill them, all of them. I've said it before and I will say it again. The war on terror should not involve large interrogation camps and mass troop movements, ala WWII or Viet Nam. It should be a special forces war. A sniper placed in a SEAL or AFSOC team goes in, takes the shot, gets out. You cannot negotiate with these terrorists. You simply have to kill them before they kill you and you have to kill every one of them. But most people don't have the stomach for that. Another weapon in the war on terrorism would also render Guantanamo Bay even more useless than it is now. It's called ... let's quit buying from OPEC. When you quit buying from OPEC, you quit supporting terrorism. It's hard to mount effective terrorist plots if they don't have the money.

To recap, take the money we save from the detainment camps and spend it on intell. Use the intell to find the terrorists. Shoot and kill the terrorists. Quit buying from OPEC.

chelsea_b

Whoa. We're supposed to be BETTER THAN THEM. That's why THEY are "terrorists" and WE are "good guys"!

 So are you saying that we are like them? Please forward me the videos of the terrorists we have beheaded while they plead for their lives, the ones we put on public television for their families to watch? And where are the video's of the American soldiers dragging the dead and burned bodies of the enemey through the streets, hanging them on a bridge and then dancing around their corpses? Yes there are the pictures from the Abu scandal and those people have been punished for their mistakes and although the pictures are not something to be proud of they are nothing like what these people do to ours when they are captured.

chelsea_b

I can't believe, even with all the stories of torturing innocents at Guantanamo

innocents? although I do not agree with what happened as far as some of the pictures go, these were not just innocent people rounded up off the street for no reason. And the torture is water boarding, and sleep deprivation, no one is cutting off any heads. I suppose that the guy who was behind the world trade center bombing who was water boarded is on of these "innocents"?

chelsea_b

anyone can be against this ruling. I seriously can't understand.

these type of people (terrorists) will not be won over with group hugs, therapy and a hearty round of Kum Bah Ya.

Judge Scalia says it best: 

Scalia wrote that the majority opinion "will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."

and another commentary stated that the only thing left is " whether foreign terrorists should get in-state tuition at public colleges. "

Maybe we should take it a step further and grant them citizenship, that would help them in their efforts to kill us if they could just live here openly with the same rights of a citizen.

dgriego

. The highest court in our land has given special rights for those who would (and have) willingly cut off the heads of our citizens on public television, used handicapped people and children to blow up our people and driven aircraft into our buildings to kill our people.

The people at Guantanamo are suspects, not terrorists. Many are innocent. Many have done absolutely nothing. They are being held without charge. "Enemy Combatants" is just a label that Bush put on them to fool people into thinking that they're guilty of something. Anyone can be labeled an "enemy combatant" by this administration. ANYONE.

They are also not being afforded any "special rights". The Declaration of Independence states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The right to a fair trial is an essential right in all countries respecting the rule of law. It is explicitly proclaimed in Article Ten of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution, and Article Six of the European Convention of Human Rights, as well as numerous other constitutions and declarations throughout the world.

The trouble here is that for the past 7 years or so, the Bush administration has stomped all over the rights of people to the point that many think we can just treat people any way we want, regardless of what they've done... or not done.

This decision is a good sign of times to come. I am proud of the Supreme Court and I hope Bush and Cheney don't find a way to overturn this.  

Bravo, 4IC - that is one amazing explanation and one that everybody should be able to understand.

Joyce

Exactly. The fact that these people are merely detainees is apparently lost on many people. They've been convicted of nothing. They've been tried for nothing. Many, if not most, haven't even been charged with anything yet. Only ONE detainee has so far been sentenced. And yet you people want them all SHOT? Unbelievable....

 

I am completely disgusted that chelsea_b seems to believe that those being held are "innocents." As dgreiogo pointed out our "torture" (though not a postive thing) can in no way be compared with the treatment our citizens have endured at the hands of these terrorists. At the same time, though, I don't see anything wrong with the detainees recieving trials on individual basis if they are treated in accordance with the court's findings. Not everyone deserves to be held indefinately just as not everyone deserves to walk away scott free.

TexasDaisy

I am completely disgusted that chelsea_b seems to believe that those being held are "innocents." 

How do you know that some of them aren't?
 

Cassidys Mom

 

How do you know that some of them aren't?
 

Excellent question. Many of them most likely are.  Right now they're SUSPECTS.  The ones that are proven guilty should be dealt with accordingly but none of them, guilty or innocent, should be tortured.

Joyce