I have a "Wobbler" looking for input (Bevolasvegas)

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    IF your vet is interested, I'm sure one of Clemmons, Chrisman, or even Dr. DiNatale would consult with your vet.  Dr. Xie (who is the head of the Chi Institute) has his own blends that vets can get, and I get a lot of Billy's thru Morningstar.  These vets truly are just in it to help the dogs and I'm sure any one of them would help since he's not in a good shape to transport. (you looked at the locator?  Both via state and zip code?)

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    For anyone who wants more info on what Wobblers is:

    http://www.dru.org/wobblers.htm

    Amanda - is this your first experience w/a Dobe with Wobblers?  If he's not showing signs, but was diagnosed after secondary x-ray review, then you're early in the game.  His life doesn't have to be deminished to a sterile, unmoving environment.  Clearly you have to get him healed from his currently pressing issues (how on earth did he crack a rib?  Didn't he just get over a head injury?  I'm thinking if he incurred the injuries as part of the World Dog Wrestling Federation, then, yeah, life's gotta change fast! Wink)

    Dobes can live a long, long time with Wobblers with the sort of supportive care you describe.  You know who would be REALLY helpful to you right now is dobedvm/Kim.  Isn't she on the same Doberman forum you're on?  I'd send her a message there.

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    I’ll just bunch my responses to all of you into one post.

    Bevo was playing with my brother’s dog when the accident occurred.  DH & I were honeymooning when it happened, so I didn’t get to see it firsthand, but my brother saw the entire thing unfold.  Bev was giving chase, & fully fixated on Mia.  He had caught her, & was about to jump on her when she ducked & he went head on into a tree.  He was knocked unconscious.  When he came to, he couldn’t use his legs at all. 

     

    He was taken to our normal vet, who started IV fluids, & steroids, to treat him for head trauma.  They shot 13 different x-rays to try to determine why, at the time, he couldn’t use his right front or rear legs.  They found nothing wrong with him.  I asked that the x-rays be emailed to our radiologist, Dr. Q, for interpretation, because I was concerned that there might be a disc problem.  The clinic initially only sent three x-rays of Bev’s spine to Dr. Q.  After I hassled the clinic to send the other 10 views, I was told that while they did shoot 13 x-rays, only 6 were actually good shots.  (I was eventually refunded my money on the other 7 shots that “our x-ray tech messed up.”) 

     

    Dr. Q finally reviewed the other 5 views, & said that he could not see any lesions, but that the x-rays that were submitted were very poor quality, & there were no views of Bev’s neck.  He recommended that I have more x-rays done because, at a week after the accident, he would have expected Bev to be getting around much better than he was.  He made a recommendation of a vet who he knew personally, & we went there for more pics.  The new vet took 7 more x-rays.  He saw the fracture in the scapula, the chip in the scapula, & the rib that was cracked.  He also shot pics on Bev’s neck, but he didn’t feel comfortable calling the neck views clear without the Dr. Q reviewing them.  When Dr. Q reviewed this series of x-rays, he saw “questionable” areas, & was confident enough to go ahead & call it Wobblers. 

     

    We had the myelogram done today.  There is a slight interruption of dye flow between C4-C5, but it isn't horrible. C6 is misshapen, but doesn’t seem to be causing undue pressure on the spinal cord.

    The radiologist who did the myelogram wasn't overly concerned.  He said that Bev's foot placement, & reflexes are totally normal when you factor in the shoulder problem as well. He recommended trying to let everything stabilize with the brace, & continuing steroids to help reduce inflammation. 

     

     

    He went over how to make the house safer for Bev to move through, and made food recommendations. He was very optimistic that Bev will live a relatively normal life, so long as we are smart about what we let him do.  

     

    Kpwlee, I should have seen other signs that this was happening, but I failed him.  In hindsight, this has probably been going on for around a year.  He has been mildly shaky in the front legs for a while.  He is an OCD dog, so sometimes it is hard to determine if a new behavior is truly a new behavior, or if it is just another manifestation of his OCD.  He has always shaken when he is anxious.  When he’s waiting for a ball or Frisbee to be thrown, he shakes.  He’s been like that since he was a puppy, so when he started doing it during sit-stays, I didn’t give it a second thought.  When he refused a jump while we were in the obedience ring, I attributed it to a bad experience that he had previously had, & not to discomfort.  I should have noticed these things, but I didn’t.

     

    Sadly, when I decided on a Dobie, I was totally prepared for hip, elbow, heart, thyroid, & clotting factor problems.  We tested, & prepared for all of those issues, but I was caught totally unprepared for this.  I have encouraged games of tugging.  We recently started schutzhund classes & I have encouraged him to hold his bite on the sleeve.  He has chased balls, & caught Frisbees since he was a puppy. 

     

    In hindsight, all of these things are absolutely stupid decisions on my part.  The fact that he has to deal with this is, in large part, due to my negligence.  I should have researched more, & been smarter with my decisions where his care was concerned.  Now, he has to pay for my carelessness.  All that I can do now is provide him with the best care possible.

     

    Thanks to everyone for the thoughts & good vibes.  I truly appreciate them.  I will keep you updated.

     

    I’m sorry that this post is so long.  It wasn’t my intention to write a short novel!
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    Amanda, do NOT beat yourself up over this.  You had tremendous resources available to you particularly with the vet clinic who saw him every day, too.  They didn't see it either... and if anyone had, you would've done everything possible to alleviate it. 

    Wobblers is so common, and considering this came on while he's still pretty young, then he was likely predisposed from his genetics and not from any of the activities you did with him.  (Yes, now you can take a role in mitigating the condition, but if his genes made it likely to happen, you didn't know that!)  Take heart that he's had great adventures with all of those activities up until now.  Now you know he has a condition that you can treat differently.  Just got to get him healed up good and strong through this latest, and all the supportive care you have planned will go a long way toward that.

     You're just going to have a highly annoyed Dobe when he wants to do things and isn't allowed anymore.  I don't envy you trying to curb his appetite for activity - it's not going to be easy.

    Good vibes for health and healing from AZ!!!  He's a strong boy with a lot of support behind him - we'll all see how things look in a few weeks and you might feel less of the shock and grief over such a diagnosis.  Gracie sends him nub wiggles and play bows and her long-snout quick Dobe kisses.

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    miranadobe

    Amanda, do NOT beat yourself up over this.

    Totally agree with above..

    Amanda, give Bevo big gentle hugs from me please...
    We're thinking of you....

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    BEVOLASVEGAS
    He recommended trying to let everything stabilize with the brace

    Hindsight is 20-20 and it would be great to be able to predict the future, but we can't.  Please don't dwell on the past and beat yourself up.  You did your best to be the greatest doggie mom you could be, but none of us is perfect.

    What does the neck brace look like?  I have seen a couple:

    Here is a Wobbler's success story:

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    this is NOT your fault!! dont be silly! we cant always be prepared for everything and often have to call the shots as we go. that is completely normal.

    i dont think there's anyone who could have done better! and bevo is in the best hands possible!

    sending healing and calming vibes for both you and bevo!!!

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    BEVOLASVEGAS
    Kpwlee, I should have seen other signs that this was happening, but I failed him. 

      No way you failed him and I asked because as a newbie owner of a very large hyperactive dog with unknown genetics, things like this hitting a super athletic gorgeous superbly cared for dog are startling and shocking.

    BEVOLASVEGAS
    In hindsight, this has probably been going on for around a year.  He has been mildly shaky in the front legs for a while.  He is an OCD dog, so sometimes it is hard to determine if a new behavior is truly a new behavior, or if it is just another manifestation of his OCD.  He has always shaken when he is anxious.  When he’s waiting for a ball or Frisbee to be thrown, he shakes.  He’s been like that since he was a puppy, so when he started doing it during sit-stays, I didn’t give it a second thought.  When he refused a jump while we were in the obedience ring, I attributed it to a bad experience that he had previously had, & not to discomfort.  I should have noticed these things, but I didn’t.

    Sadly, when I decided on a Dobie, I was totally prepared for hip, elbow, heart, thyroid, & clotting factor problems.  We tested, & prepared for all of those issues, but I was caught totally unprepared for this.  I have encouraged games of tugging.  We recently started schutzhund classes & I have encouraged him to hold his bite on the sleeve.  He has chased balls, & caught Frisbees since he was a puppy. 

    Amanda you have done such fantastic work with him - stuff that has brought out the best in him and helped manage his OCD, from the reading I've done since your first post it is genetic and in dobies doesn't surface until 4-5.  You could not have prevented it and in some ways it is fortunate that the accident occurred and led to discovering this BEFORE it had hit hard.

    Now you know what you need to do and you will do it.  He will heal up and together you will find a new way of doing things.

    We are wishing you our best - I have been loving him from afar and feel heartbroken about this.  But it will be OK and he will adjust.

    Hang in there

    Karen & Bugsy


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    Callie, I found someone closer to us that does deal with the herbal side of things.  We have a consult this evening.

    Bev's brace is made out of roll cotton, & vet wrap.  He's wearing a "Bite Not" collar over the brace so that he isn't flexing or bending at all. 

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     Bevo only you could make that look elegant

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    BEVO! yoo luk vewy hansum!! i laik ur fansy haaness. hope u feelz betta soon! dun worry! ur mom's gonna taik gud care of u!

    kissess!

    MOCA

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    Bevo could be a model for neck collars Big Smile. I hope he continues to heal and the Wobbler issue is minor and totally manageable. 

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    cakana

    Bevo could be a model for neck collars Big Smile.

    Isn't that the truth?  He looks so handsome and dignified in that picture.  All good wishes for a speedy recovery and a smooth, easy transition to a new lifestyle. Smile

    Joyce

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    Very sorry to hear about Bevo, I was wondering if it happened while you were in VT. My heart really goes out to you.

    I second skilled application of massage therapy techniques, and also hydrotherapy. Do you know of any canine physical therapists in your area, or facility with a pool? The hydrotherapy will allow him to move around, keep his muscles and connective tissue strong and flexible, without the impact of typical exercises with gravity pulling on him. I would assume, at this stage of his injury, that he would be assisted in the pool as not to overdo.

    Sending many healing vibes to Bevo.

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    Amanda, he's a handsome boy!  What a difference between him and the dobie that lives acrosss from us.  And, don't do that, don't beat yourself up like that.  I've felt that way myself but we do what we can with the info we have at the time.  And, now you are taking care of things.  We wish you the best. 

    Lori