Will Big Brown Take the Crown ???

Good article....

 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3431608&sportCat=horse

 Wow, I found that article incredibly distasteful.  It smacks of the same trash talk that Dutrow is accused of--the author is like a little kid sticking his tongue out screaming "NAH, NAH-NAH, NAH NAAAH NAH--your horse didn't wiiiin!!!" 

Puh-leese

I also thought that the article bordered on being disrespectful to Big Brown himself.  I realize that he is "only a horse" but he is a horse that won the first two legs of the freaking Triple Crown--NOT an easy feat.  The horse deserves more respect than the article gave him (and more respect than the author deserves IMHO).  The author also fails to give props to the jockey, who despite knowing that this was the biggest race of his life thought of the horse FIRST and pulled him up when he didn't feel right.

Then again why would you want to work positive points in when you are writing a piece with the sole aim of rubbing someone's nose in their failures in the most immature way possible..... 

sillysally

 Wow, I found that article incredibly distasteful.  It smacks of the same trash talk that Dutrow is accused of--the author is like a little kid sticking his tongue out screaming "NAH, NAH-NAH, NAH NAAAH NAH--your horse didn't wiiiin!!!"   

I agree.  I thought the whole article had a juvenile "rub your nose in it" attitude - almost like the author was hoping something bad would happen to Big Brown just because Dutrow is a PITA.  It shows a total lack of professionalism.

Joyce

Liesje

I like how they are obsessed with finding a "reason" for his loss, like the horse just being hot and not exactly wanting to run the longest race of his life that fast isn't a good enough explanation.  It makes sense to me.  Today is not his day.  They should consider themselves lucky he isn't really hurt.

Good on Da'Tara!  It also bugs me that the coverage stayed with Big Brown.  You know, Da'Tara was in the lead the ENTIRE time, it's not like BB fell or screwed up and that's why someone else won....
 

The coverage stayed with Big Brown because that's where the story was. Also, having watched lots of races as a kid with my dad, I know that just because someone is out in front, does not mean that's the one who's going to win. Usually though, I think they just follow the leaders. Anyway, he was in position to overtake the lead. I thought it was more annoying, when after the race, they didn't bother with the Da'Tara team for quite a while, but instead the coverage was still on Big Brown. It's not like they knew anything about what happened right then, so could it have really hurt to go and cover the winner for a few minutes?

I also think DaTara's win was tainted with BB's loss, but BB's Derby win was tainted with Eight Bells' tragedy. 

 I'll admit I'd like to have seen Big Brown win, he was so impressive with the other two legs of the Crown.  It did look like a totally different horse yesterday, which I find sad.  I wish I could have seen all the horses at their best (undrugged, of course).

I thought, the article was interesting in the sense that it let one take a peek behind the curtain of this show, and gave one a good glimpse of the wheeling and dealing of the people involved. Just the massive amount of money that changed and was about to change hands is unbelievable.I do agree with the author when it came to the arrogant attitude of the owners and the trainer, almost like this wasn't even a contest......wrong, my friends....it was a big contest, and one that BB lost.......nothing against the horse, I watched the race a few times over and simply, the horse was not able to run good enough after the one mile mark........but, due to the jockey pulling the horse up and not pushing him there is this mysterious cloud hanging over BB's head.....did he get injured, was he lame, was there onset of an infection, bleeding or lack of steroids.......how about the horse fizzled out after a mile of running hard and just couldn't do it? So, instead of pushing the horse to run hard and coming in 5th, 6th or even 7th, which would have been a shocker alone (due to expectations), the horse was held back and now this mystery surrounds this horse.......I don't think there is any disrespect towards BB, but this loathing of the trainer and owners.

snownose

I thought, the article was interesting in the sense that it let one take a peek behind the curtain of this show, and gave one a good glimpse of the wheeling and dealing of the people involved. Just the massive amount of money that changed and was about to change hands is unbelievable.I do agree with the author when it came to the arrogant attitude of the owners and the trainer, almost like this wasn't even a contest......wrong, my friends....it was a big contest, and one that BB lost.......nothing against the horse, I watched the race a few times over and simply, the horse was not able to run good enough after the one mile mark........but, due to the jockey pulling the horse up and not pushing him there is this mysterious cloud hanging over BB's head.....did he get injured, was he lame, was there onset of an infection, bleeding or lack of steroids.......how about the horse fizzled out after a mile of running hard and just couldn't do it? So, instead of pushing the horse to run hard and coming in 5th, 6th or even 7th, which would have been a shocker alone (due to expectations), the horse was held back and now this mystery surrounds this horse.......I don't think there is any disrespect towards BB, but this loathing of the trainer and owners.

When it comes to thoroughbred racing there is always lots of money changing hands.  Again, I did not like the authors tone, period.  So he didn't like the owner and trainer.  Who cares?  IMHO, he is just as much of an arrogant a$$ as he claims they are.  Any grown person taking such gleeful delight in the failures of others makes me throw up in my mouth a little. 

sillysally

Again, I did not like the authors tone, period.  So he didn't like the owner and trainer.

Did you write any posts voicing your opinion about the trainer and owners of BB and their bragging....? As a matter of fact, if there was any disrespect it was coming from that party......it's not like any other horse had a chance......right.....the article was written in the aftermath of a very pompous attitute and an embarrassing loss........(I do feel for BB)

snownose

As a matter of fact, if there was any disrespect it was coming from that party......it's not like any other horse had a chance......right.....the article was written in the aftermath of a very pompous attitute and an embarrassing loss

That's exactly why she considers it immature I would guess. Get-backs are what children do...not adults. Gloating, etc is something that is immature no matter who is doing it. But it is IMO even more so when you have to come back after someone is thoroughly embarrassed and rub their noses in it...makes you twice as lame as the original...and twice as immature. I totally agree.

BTW...trash talk is part of ALL SPORTS...but that sure doesn't change that it's immarure behavior. LOL. I of all people admit nananana boo boo stuff is childish...doesn't stop me from doing it with another fan...and if someone calls it immature I can only agree. I'm not going to try and argue it into something that was needed, due, or correct.

rwbeagles

Get-backs are what children do...not adults. Gloating, etc is something that is immature no matter who is doing it. But it is IMO even more so when you have to come back after someone is thoroughly embarrassed and rub their noses in it...makes you twice as lame as the original...and twice as immature.

Yes, it is immature....but, in this case, oh so well deserved....

Talk about trash talk.....a few years ago I was sitting in Charlotte watching the Packers( my team ) play the Panthers......eeekk.....the Packers lost that time.....and I heard it all.........lol.....I didn't think it was immature.....just painful to my ears......lol

agilebasenji

I also think DaTara's win was tainted with BB's loss, but BB's Derby win was tainted with Eight Bells' tragedy. 

DaTara's win may have been cast aside with Big Brown's loss, but I'd also be willing to bet that very few people remember the horse that won the Belmont a couple years ago and upset Smarty Jones.  I'm bad with names, so I certainly don't. 

snownose

I didn't think it was immature

Perhaps because you're not around kids all that much...LOL.

sharismom

agilebasenji

I also think DaTara's win was tainted with BB's loss, but BB's Derby win was tainted with Eight Bells' tragedy. 

DaTara's win may have been cast aside with Big Brown's loss, but I'd also be willing to bet that very few people remember the horse that won the Belmont a couple years ago and upset Smarty Jones.  I'm bad with names, so I certainly don't. 

 

I don't know the name, but then again, I'm from the area. We were all set to name the stretch of road in front of Philly Park Smarty Jones Road. The sports teams here are perpetual losers, so we went nuts over it. People who had never seen a horse race in their life were lining up at the track to get Smarty Jones gear.  Some of the same people sent cards and holy water to Barbaro. So really, we can't be expected to remember who actually won those races.

 I did not watch the race, and I have not read all the press stuff. I want to say KUDOS to Big Browns jockey for making a horseman's decision despite all that was on the line, and easing him up. That may save the horse for running another day. Horses are living breathing animals with a mind of their own, he may not have slept well the night before or he just may not have felt well. We have all had these days yet the horse can not tell us we have to "feel" it. I know I have had days like that (less at stake of course) and had to say "another day".

I was disappointed to find out that Big Brown was on a legal steroid for his two first wins. I sure hope that is NOT why he won. I hope he comes back at the race at Saratoga and at the Breeder's Cup with out drugs and knocks the socks off the competition. That will be the only way to stop that conversation.

I dislike the commentators at race events. When Barbaro broke down at the Preakness, they barely had camera's on the race and so down played the winners victory. Too much speculation, I think they should shorten the TV time to only be able to state the facts, less BS and then the race. Sure I love the stories but it has gone way beyond that and it tires me.