Booster seats for kids

    • Gold Top Dog

    Booster seats for kids

    My mom sent me an e-mail that got me thinking about this, and child safety in general.  She works for a daycare at an inner city community center.  Effective July 1, there will be a law here that ALL children 8 and under must be in a car seat or booster seat in the car.  My mom said that the parents are supposed to bring theirs with the child, but a lot of parents "just aren't going to do it."  Her e-mail was asking me to post on our school's "wanted" board for used seats.  Anyway, I was just thinking about this law and wondered what others thought.  I don't have kids, but I know plenty of people who do.  My closest friend with kids is already using boosters for both of her kids, even though she is not what I would consider to be an over-protective mother.  Do you guys use them?  Do you think having laws about it is a little much? 

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    This has been law in IL for a number of years.  My step DD used one until she was 8 (and there is also a weight restriction too - they have to be 8 and weigh X number of pounds).  They can't even sit in the front seat until they are 12 years old.  Apparently it has to do with airbags being standard in so many cars and kids are usually short enough where a full force airbag can result in a snapped neck. 

    The fine in IL is huge for disobeying this law, so I think those children whose parents "just aren't going to do it" are going to have some financial hardships coming along.

    The solution I think is to get an all-in-one convertible carseat that works from infant through age 8.  It basically goes from rearfacing, to front facing, to removing the backrest and just using the booster seat.  They aren't that expensive, and you can find tons of used ones on Craigslist.

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    It's already req here. Both mine sit on bottom only boosters and will until the law says they don't have to. Things were different in my day since I recall bouncing around in the front seat at age 4 LOL.

    BUT...speed limits were less, cars weren't made of plastic, people weren't texting or emailing while driving, or looking at their sat Nav screens, or driving as much overall, as they do today...different times.

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    g33

    The fine in IL is huge for disobeying this law, so I think those children whose parents "just aren't going to do it" are going to have some financial hardships coming along.

     

    I know, it sounds crazy.  Unfortunately, many of these parents have much larger problems than booster seats (drugs, prostitution, being single uneducated parents with 5+ kids...).

    I remember years back when the booster seat thing was just coming to light and they were saying you had to be 80+ lbs to ride in the front and we would joke with my house mate, who was 5'0" and probably only 80lbs.  She needs one to drive! 

    I've heard people gripe about it and wondered what the general consensus was.  Personally, I don't see why anyone would trivialize the safety of a child.  I don't even like my DOGS riding unsecured.  Last time I saw a baby sitting on someone's lap in the front passenger seat, I know I was not the only passerby gawking at them. 

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    I know that my sister used them (in MI).  The one thing and drives my sister nuts is the weight restrictions.  I think they have to be a seat until they weigh 80 lbs.  Well, my niece Katie is 12 and still doesn't weigh 80 lbs. (she is like 75 lbs or something) and there is no way she is going to back to using a booster seat (she's trying to get my sister to let her wear lip gloss).  I don't know what kind of a battle my sister is going to have with that one.  The one thing in MI that makes it hard is that you cannot purchase or is it sell a used car seat.  I was at a clothing resale shop in MI this weekend and asked about selling my infant carrier seat and they won't take it, since it's against the law.  I know in WI you could sell/buy at a store.

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    Samantha will be 3 in July. She is 36in and weighs 26lbs. She gonna be little like me. I got her a car seat that will also be her booster seat until she is big enough to sit without one. Heck I can sit in her car seat. I paid 100 bucks for it and I wanted to make sure I got one that can be used for a long time. These days 100 bucks will fill our truck up 1 1/2 times.

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    Every car accident I've been in, save the time I hydroplaned at 5 mph and scratched a brand new Lexus in front of me, has been caused by other drivers. I have what I consider to be a healthy respect for the dangers of travel my car.

    I don't know what I think the law should be, but we don't even have my daughter in a booster seat yet - we went out of our way to get a seat that is a 5 point harness for older kids. 

    I don't trust other drivers! 

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    mrstjohnson

    I know that my sister used them (in MI).  The one thing and drives my sister nuts is the weight restrictions.  I think they have to be a seat until they weigh 80 lbs.  Well, my niece Katie is 12 and still doesn't weigh 80 lbs. (she is like 75 lbs or something) and there is no way she is going to back to using a booster seat (she's trying to get my sister to let her wear lip gloss).  I don't know what kind of a battle my sister is going to have with that one.  The one thing in MI that makes it hard is that you cannot purchase or is it sell a used car seat.  I was at a clothing resale shop in MI this weekend and asked about selling my infant carrier seat and they won't take it, since it's against the law.  I know in WI you could sell/buy at a store.

     

    Seriously?  I better tell my mom!  She's looking for donated ones for the daycare, and she also volunteers at a Goodwill-type store and I'm sure I've seen them there. 

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    Liesje

    Seriously?  I better tell my mom!  She's looking for donated ones for the daycare, and she also volunteers at a Goodwill-type store and I'm sure I've seen them there. 

    Yeah - now you can probably buy one from a garage sale or Craig's List, but they warn against it.  If a car seat has been in an accident it has to be throw away and cannot be used again.  Personally, my mom was looking for a car seat for Riley for her car and we were both a little annoyed you couldn't buy one from a second hand store, but that's us.  She ended up getting one for $40 at Wal-mart.  We have the big to do one that goes up until she's 8 years old - but those aren't cheap.  We got it for the shower and it was something like $125.

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    mrstjohnson
    If a car seat has been in an accident it has to be throw away and cannot be used again. 

     

    A little OT, but did you know that bike helmets are the same way?  If your kid falls off his bike and hits his helmet, you need to discard it and get a new one.  

    Most Police Stations and Health Centers, or wherever you go for First Aid courses, will inspect car seats and boosters for you to make sure they are still regulation and safe.  Lies, maybe your mom could get a hold of someone at one of those places to go and inspect any donated seats.

    Up here, kids have to be in a rear facing car seat till they are a year and 20 lbs, then a 5-point harness front facing seat until 40 lbs.  After that a booster is recommended until 70 lbs and/or 8 years old.  Its lucky for Kale that they say and/or because at 9 he is only 50 lbs.  He's really skinny but he can use an over the shoulder belt with no issues.  He's also pretty tough for his size so I'm not concerned about him being able to hold himself with the help of a regular seatbelt in the car.  

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    Dog_ma

    I have what I consider to be a healthy respect for the dangers of travel my car.

    I don't know what I think the law should be, but we don't even have my daughter in a booster seat yet - we went out of our way to get a seat that is a 5 point harness for older kids. 

    I don't trust other drivers! 

    I completely agree with you (shocking, right? LOL). I don't have kids yet, but I spent $200 2 1/2 years ago on a car seat for my cousin's daughter, because she was nearing the 40 pound weight limit of her seat, and at 2 1/2 years old, there was no WAY that $200 was more important to me than having her in a 5-point harness, at least in my car. And when some idiot rear ended me at 5 mph, the insurance money to replace my old car seat went to my cousin so she could buy another 65-pound weight limit seat for Alleen. She's 5 now, almost 55 pounds, just about 4 feet tall, and still in a 5-point harness in two out of the three cars she rides in regularly (mine and her Mom's..she's in a high-back booster with head wings in her Dad's car, since they can't be bothered to spend the money out of their pockets for a higher weight limit car seat Angry).

    She's almost outgrown my car seat now, which I am thoroughly depressed about. She's still under the weight limit, and the height limit (she's 47", car seat says up to 49";), but apparently she's got a long torso, because her shoulders are right at the harness height, and when they're above where the harness comes out of the shell, you have to stop using the seat. I will be getting her a high-back booster with side impact protection for my car though, and she will ride in it any time she rides with me until she's outgrown it (and sadly for Alleen, the one I have my eye on goes up to 100 pounds Devil), I don't care what the law is (though it's pretty good in California..).

    Overprotective? No. Smart. How many people die in car crashes per year? A LOT. Riding in a car is very dangerous, and most kids do it daily. I can't see any excuse to not have them as safe as humanly possible, because accidents are pretty much inevitable.

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    I don't have any kids, but I do care about children's safety in cars. I do think the laws are a good idea, even though I realize many people just won't follow them. I did survive my childhood improperly restrained, but that was because we were never in a collision. Had we been, I doubt I would be here today. So, if the laws make even one person go out and buy their child a car seat, and if the laws help protect one child, I think it's worth it.  

    Used seats aren't a good idea for various reasons. If you're going to get a used seat, you need to make sure it's from someone you trust, and not just from any random person. You need to know that it was never in a collision, and for seats with harnesses, you need to know that the owner of the seat didn't put the harness through the washing machine, use chemicals to clean it, etc., which can be hard to verify if you get it from a stranger. Carseats also expire, so you need to check that a used seat is not yet expired.

    All quotes from http://www.car-safety.org/faq.html

    "If you are unable to verify that the carseat has never been involved in a crash, do not use it.  Above that, you should inspect it carefully to make sure all the parts and labels are intact, and that there are no visible stress marks.  You should also verify that the stickers with the manufacturer, model number and date of manufacture are legible.  You must also have the owner's manual, or get a copy from the manufacturer.  Finally, you need to make sure the used carseat has not been recalled (or if it has, that the appropriate corrections were made).  Older seats may not meet current safety standards.  Older seats may also be less convenient and more difficult to use, and may lack the latest safety features.  If there is any doubt on the condition or history of a used carseat, please destroy it completely and permanently (using a saw or otherwise) and purchase a new one."

    "Q25: How many years can I use my carseat?

    Many manufacturers now put "expiration" dates on their carseats.  Six (6) years is the general recommendation.  At most, 10 years is the accepted maximum lifetime of a carseat.  The reasons for these limits involve possible degradation of the plastic shell and other parts, the possible loss/breakage of parts, and the fact that older seats will often not meet current government safety standards."

    Just a note, the expiration date is from the date of manufacture, not from the date you purchased it, or put it in use.

     

     

    As for when your child is big enough to not need a booster, it is not really an exact weight that makes a difference, but the way the child fits the seatbelt that is more important. Some people have longer legs, or have longer torsos, so two children of the same exact height may fit the belt differently, and one may need a booster while the other does not.

    This is how to tell  when the child fits the seatbelt, and no longer needs a booster

    "Q9: When can my child be in a regular seatbelt without a booster?

    Children are not ready to be in a regular lap/shoulder seatbelt until:

    • They are tall enough so that their legs bend at the knees at the edge of the seat; and
    • They are mature enough to remain seated with their backs flat against the back of the seat and not slouch; and
    • The lap belt sits high on the thighs or low on the hips (NOT on their tummy!); and
    • The shoulder belt crosses the shoulder and chest (NOT on their arms or neck!); and

    Each passenger must have their own lap and shoulder belt!  Never allow children to share a seatbelt.

    Some organizations will also give limits like 80 or 100 pounds, 4'9" in height or 8 years old.   These are rough guidelines, not absolute limits.  The criteria above are most important."

     Also, the person with the seat that says it last to 100 pounds, I am highly doubtful, unless you just bought the new Graco Nautilus or Britax Frontier. If the seat you have is a 3 in 1 (like an Alpha Omega),  that isn't going to happen. First, the harness slots on the seat are exceedingly low. The child has outgrown the harness forward facing when the shoulders are over the highest harness slot (except for in the Sunshine Kids Radian, which allows for the shoulders to go 1" over the top harness slot) . If this is the seat you have, please check that the top slot is reinforced for harness used, as several of these seats do not allow use with the harness, and the top slot is only to adjust the headrest for older children. Because of the low slots, many children don't last long using these as harnessed seats. They also typically make poor boosters. If you're aware of this, there's nothing really wrong with these seats, however, it is a bit deceiving of the company to advertise it as the only seat your kid will ever need, considering also that if you buy it for an infant, it will expire before the kid is ready to sit in a seatbelt. The person who got the seat for $100, if what you got was the Safety 1st Intera, or the Cosco model of the seat, it may last. If what you got is a 3 in 1, since that is definitely not the Nautilus or the Frontier, it's not really going to last that long. Mrstjohnson, if the seat you got is a convertible that rear faces, which I will assume it is since you got it at your baby shower, it absolutely will not last till your child is ready for a booster, since it will expire 6 years from the date of manufacture.

    As for the boosters, if the car being used has head restraints, or the child riding in it is short enough that their head does not go over the seat back, a  low back booster (Cosco Ambassador) can be had at Wal-Mart on sale this week for $13.57 If you need a back, the Cosco Traveler is only $19.88, and the Pronto is $29.88.

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    huskymom

    Up here, kids have to be in a rear facing car seat till they are a year and 20 lbs, then a 5-point harness front facing seat until 40 lbs.  After that a booster is recommended until 70 lbs and/or 8 years old.  Its lucky for Kale that they say and/or because at 9 he is only 50 lbs.  He's really skinny but he can use an over the shoulder belt with no issues.  He's also pretty tough for his size so I'm not concerned about him being able to hold himself with the help of a regular seatbelt in the car.  

    Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that a child rear face until the limits of the seat. Convertible seats are somewhere between 30-35lbs. The height stated is not as much a big deal, as long as the top of the head has 1" of hard shell above it, the child fits. Even if the  legs touch the back seat, that is no reason to worry. there are no documented cases of broken legs from them touching the seat back. We'd all be much safer rear facing.

    I'm going to just give the url for this,as it is long

    http://www.car-safety.org/rearface.html 

    And just for anyone who wonders if it could be comfortable, here's an album of kids over 1yr and 20lbs rearfacing

    http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/RFAlbum.aspx 

     

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    griffinej5
    Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that a child rear face until the limits of the seat. Convertible seats are somewhere between 30-35lbs. The height stated is not as much a big deal, as long as the top of the head has 1" of hard shell above it, the child fits. Even if the  legs touch the back seat, that is no reason to worry. there are no documented cases of broken legs from them touching the seat back. We'd all be much safer rear facing.

    I think this is worth repeating over and over. Some people think it's BIZARRE to have a kid rear facing after an infant carrier. I know people who had NO clue until I told them that convertible seats go REAR FACING (hence the name convertible). They think you go from an infant carrier seat to a forward facing seat, and considering most kids outgrow infant carriers around 6-8 months, that's a really dangerous thing to think.

    Babies have to be AT LEAST 1 year (because their spines are not developed enough until then) AND 20 pounds (which is the minimum weight to FF on car seats) to forward face, and it's much better and much safer to go way beyond that. My nephew's almost 3 and he still rear faces sometimes (though not all the time, because much as my sister tried, he flat out hated the car rear facing..he generally will only put up with it if someone's in the back seat with him, but he was exclusively RF until he was 2).

    And if the kid hits 40 pounds before their 4th birthday, please please get them a higher weight limit 5-point harness seat. There are plenty of them out now, and not all are horribly pricy (though can you really put a price on your child's safety?). Even after 4, 5-point harnesses are tons safer.. Generally the absolute minimum accepted age for a booster is 4 years.

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    For anyone who can't afford a higher weight harness seat, the Kyle David Miller Foundation donates seats to those in need. I believe they're currently backed up with requests, but for those in need, it's worth applying

     http://www.kyledavidmiller.org/pages/home/index.htm

    I think I'm gonna get one of those cute tshirts they have, since I like turtles.