Thinking about quality of life issues

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    Thinking about quality of life issues

    The current threads made me think about a situation I just faced today in fact.  I belong to this perimenopause forum.  I basically have never posted but have the posts emailed to me to read.  It was started to annoy me to no end lately but that is another story.  This lady posted yesterday about how hormones have made her depressed and she can barely get out of bed anymore to face her life.  She said my dog even ran away last night and I just didn't have the will to go look for her.  This morning she posts that she is trying to get her head on right to take a nice long walk and maybe look for her dog.  Okay so I understand bummed out....I understand midlife hormonal crap, but I mean seriously you go to bed when your dog is out there somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!  I was so flipping mad.  So big mouth me who never posted sent off a rather flaming post.  I basically said that you need to get your ASS out of bed and find that dog NOW.  If he hasn't been hit by a car yet or picked up by the authorities.  I had to go through a moderator and they banned my post as nasty and off topic.  I was rude they said to talk to her like that when she is obviously depressed.  I think the dog is a bit more depressed living with someone who doesn't care enough about them to find them and stuff.  Am I being rude?  Oh I did mention she needed to find a new home for her dog if she can't handle her with her life in this place right now.  I don't care how sad I might be I would flip out if my dog ran off.  That would put me over the edge for sure.  I guess the ladies spend their whole day complaining to each other and it just got on my nerves when a dog was brought into the mix.  Funny how that is the first time I was even prompted to post a thing.  I am not by any means making light of a real medical condition such as depression but I am strong willed enough to fiind my dog even through drastic circumstances.  Just like any other medical condition if you can't harbor your dog safely and caringly then perhaps they are better off elsewhere. 

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    I probably would've (or will) get flamed too, but I'd have felt the same way. Granted, I've not suffered from clinical depression, so maybe I can't understand. However, if you are able to recognize that your dog ran off, then you're capable of getting out there to look for it. If you can't, then call someone to help you. Sorry, I know I don't sound compassionate, but I'm just not the type to wallow in self-pity, even if it is hormonal.

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    That woman's attitude is not uncommon.

     I own a rental property and when I interviewed the current tenants they said that if I didn't allow pets they would get rid of their 14 year old dog. Yes, I said the dog could stay.
     

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    Hormonal or not, some people just plain never think or feel as deeply as others.  They just aren't wired that way -- and sometimes people like that have a tough time staying in a relationship and have a tough time dealing with an animal.  Because their whole life goes to heck in a handbasket -- often they blame everything on menopause or some 'thing' because ... well, just because.

    Some of us were reared to have more basic drive.  Part of that is genetic, a large, huge, enormous part of it is how you were taught to function or how you *learned* to function. 

    I didn't grow up in a warm, fuzzy kind of place ... my mother is, to this day, quite violent and difficult to get along with.  Today you would say I grew up in an abusive atmosphere.  But frankly -- lots had it lots lots LOTS worse than I did.  and ... I got hard, and I learned to be driven even when I didn't 'feel' like it.  So, in a real sense, she may have been abusive, but it has served me well. 

    But, altho I'm not that way, I think it's too easy for some people to just whine and 'discuss' things with others ad nauseum.  I'd like to think "good, maybe a shocking post made her think!" -- but in reality? It probably didn't.  Because people like that tend to seek their own level -- and let's just hope the dog finds a better home.

    There's a delicate balance sometimes in dealing with someone like that who is majorly depressed -- and an internet forum may not be the best place for her, unless someone takes a personal interest in her, takes it privately and says "Hon, you really need to get hold of yourself -- you may feel depressed but your poor dog *needs* you to care right now ... to go get out no matter how bad you feel ..."

    will she/would she listen?  Probably not.  In my experience, when you come down hard on someone it doesn't do much good.  If you cause them to draw back and put their hands over their eyes/ears they aren't going to listen.  Maybe to a lesson that is vital ... for them and the dog. 

    I know how *I* react when someone blasts me ... it punches all the wrong buttons with *me*.  It's happened lately .. more than once.  It's done deliberately and with purpose because this person thinks they're going to 'teach me a lesson' -- and all it makes me want to do is turn my back on the entire forum ... because of one person. 

    There's a fine line between venting and making someone see sense.  It's such a fine line I don't think I can even 'say' in words how to go about it. 

    But I guess my point is we have to evaluate *why* we say what we do.  How much is it really going to benefit the person with the problem?  Will they listen?  Will they be receptive?  Is it said in a way that they **can** receive it and process it? 

    Or are we saying what we say out of pure anger and our own reaction? 

    My mother ... absolutely un-disputed Queen of the Nasty Name -- a woman who can wound with words quicker than a wasp will sting -- did have a saying that I learned young and decided was wisdom.

    "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all" -- that doesn't mean to always be sweet and sugar-coated.  You can be constructive ... and still say it in a nice way.  If you have to say it in anger -- post it later. 

    Does that make sense?  But often -- particularly when someone's trying to goad me, or when someone is just posting such absolute nonsense that I want to shake them ... I just plain walk away.  It's time to play solitare for a while.  At least it is for me.

    Susan, I so understand what you're saying -- because I, personally, would never be the type to just not "do" a thing like that -- if the dog is lost you look for it, no matter how bad you feel (man, one time I went looking for a dog when I had the intestinal flu so bad I had to stop every half a block and puke out the car door, and then stop shaking so I could drive -- but I kept looking for him!)

    But as dysfucntional a family as *I* come from ... I know others came from worse, and others may not have learned their lessons yet.  So then, I guess - at least for me -- the most constructive thing I can do is get on my knees (yeah even if it's not the 'norm' for me), .  At lease I won't say anything flamable that way.  *sigh*

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    I have such a deep connection with our dogs, so do my kids, even extended family. I just cannot imagine not valuing them. I know a lot of people don't value their dogs though.  I don't understand it, but I know it happens all the time.  Ticks me off, why not find the dog a home where it will be cared about?  I don't blame you for going off.  I don't know how much got through, but still maybe just maybe it made her think that her actions are selfish and the dog deserves someone to be looking for it.

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    Having delt with a family member that was diagnosed as being clinically depressed (later diagnosed as bi-polar) this way of being sounds all too familiar.  Sounds a bit more than basic menopause.  And if that turns out to be the case, well, it may be that she really can't go look for her dog.  I know it's hard to understand.  As much as I love my dogs, I can't imagine being that way, but clinical depression just seems to go beyond all a person cares about.

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    I went through surgical menopause at 27. Began Treament for Fibromyalgia at 30,  Diagnosed Bi Polar at 35, went through clinical depression at 48 when my husband's mistress contacted me to ask for his freedom, he had apparently dumped her the month before and she thought she could renegociate the break up..... all that being said my dogs and children NEVER went without , never suffered and knew I adored them.

    Had one gotten out would I have shrugged and stayed in bed ? Not a chance.  Today I had to be taken in a wheelchair to have tests and get some scripts for some dumb virus that has knocked me on my butt. I speant the rest of the day in bed with a nearly 13 year old and a 5 month old they cuddled to me sharing the warmth and love that made it possible to sit up even with a spinning room and take my meds. The grand kids came in a gave sweet kisses and hugs , the bigger dogs stayed out to prevent me being stomped on by them. 

    I am sorry this woman has become consumed by her depression. It is a frightening disease and No meds don't always help. Most increase the concept of suicide in someone with the issues I face.  So instead it is a roller coaster and I count my blessings on the love both 2 and 4 legged that surrounds me.  She needs therapy not a chat room.  She needs medical intervention.  Your anger may have been understandable and I don't scold you for venting. But your post would not have made a difference in her life.... your anger would not make her smack her haed as in "I could have a had a V8"  It simply increased the worthless , sense of no future....  this is not her excuse it is simply as you aid Thinking baout the quality of Life issues.

     

    Bonita of Bwana

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