evaluating a rescue---opinions? red flags? UPDATED

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    evaluating a rescue---opinions? red flags? UPDATED

    A friend of DH asked me to look into a local rescue for her because she doesn't know if they are legit.  I don't know the rescue and I am having a hard time finding someone familiar with it.

    BTW if anyone here is familiar with rescues in coastal NH and would like to PM me I would love to get someone's input that might have heard of the place. I don't want to post the name here in case it is a wonderful place but what I have seen raises some questions.

    Here are the things that struck me:

    * On the petfinder page there is no set fee for adoption and the petfinder shelter listing doesn't give that info. either.  When the friend spoke to the person there she was told the range was $200-400 for mixed breed pups from the same litter. Didn't get an explanation for the difference in fees for pups that are siblings.

    * Also on petfinder says "please spay or neuter" does not say requires spay or neuter. Some pups are adopted out intact. They do not believe in "pediatric surgery" so they don't s/n pups. BTW the pups the friend asked about are maybe 16? weeks old....

    * Petfinder page says pups come from southern shelters---but neither the shelter nor state is not identified for some of the pups. It just says they are abandoned. Friend emailed asking where pups are from---no answer so far. I can't imagine this litter was abandoned in this town and wound up at this private shelter when there is a big non profit shelter close by, so I wonder where the pups are from.

    *The petfinder info did not say it was a non-profit so I checked the state--and they have a pet shop license, not a rescue or shelter license. They are registered as a company that breeds akc registered chihuahuas and boston terriers. I looked at akc to see if they registered the boston terriers under the kennel name and they do---but when I looked at offa.org,  no bostons with their name were listed. I did find a notice for the terriers at a buy pets online site. They have been using the kennel name on boston terriers since at least 1999 so I would think at least one of the 35 dogs I saw at the akc would have had some kind of health test info stored at offa.org

    *This is a two person operation in a less than 2,000 square foot house that is described online as a farm--but it is on less than an acre which to me isn't much of a farm. There are dogs and pups of a variety of ages at the shelter---and this person is expecting two litters of pups in the next few months. So where are the dogs kept? what about 8 week old pups coming from out of state? would you be importing pups from another state to your house/yard when you are planning on having a couple of litters soon???? Am I the only one who would worry about the health of the new pups? Maybe she has serious containment procedures....

    Please understand, I am not knocking rescue or breeders who rescue---I just think some of this sounds odd.

    What does everyone else here think? I told DH's friend I would go with her to look at the pups if she goes to see them but I don't want her to drive an hour and then be disappointed

    Thanks!

     

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    I'll email Outdoorschik and see ... she's from near there.  She also had a really bad experience with a 'rescue group' at one time. 

    Everything you say raises a HUGE HUGE MEGA red flag for me.  Saying "we don't believe in" ... can be a cop out.  What is the state law?  In Florida it's actually illegal not to spay/neuter if you are any sort of shelter or rescue.  Any pup/kitty over 8 weeks must be spayed/neutered. 

    Just the 'fee' alone is a dead giveaway particularly if they aren't s/n.  I'd call the SPCA -- they might be helpful, but man I wouldn't touch them.

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    calliecritturs

    I'll email Outdoorschik and see ... she's from near there.  She also had a really bad experience with a 'rescue group' at one time. 

    Thanks Callie!

    No, state law doesn't require s/n for rescues.  I will try the SPCA tomorrow---they're basically closed on Wednesdays.

     

     

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    sounds very questionable to me... almost like a puppy mill trying to pass themselves off as a rescue.....

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    After lots of searching i am pretty sure i found the rescue you are talking about.I googled them and found this on another rescue site,,

    We of course have a spay/neuter contract that we enforce. There are different fee schedules. Puppies that may have been taken in due to sickness or injury have a higher adoption fee.Pups that just arrive and need a home and have had there basic first visits to the vet and have been cleared for adoption are less. We make sure ALL our pups receive a clear health certificate, and have all there current vaccines. Which are: distemper,parvo,kennel cough,lyme,rabies and wormings, first heartgard and frontline. All are done age appropriately.

     

    They say they atleast have a spay/neuter contract.I dont know about the other questions you have but if i were her i would simply ask them.If they dont want to answer then find another rescue.

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    Run, run fast, run far, run away!  Sounds like a breeder masquerading as a rescue and making bucks off selling pups.  Here's some good info:

    http://forums.petfinder.com/viewtopic.php?t=148431 

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    The petfinder info did not say it was a non-profit so I checked the state--and they have a pet shop license, not a rescue or shelter license. They are registered as a company that breeds akc registered chihuahuas and boston terriers.

    This alone does it for me.  They should have a 501c, I think, not a commercial license. 

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    nyiceprincess

    After lots of searching i am pretty sure i found the rescue you are talking about.I googled them and found this on another rescue site,,....

    They say they atleast have a spay/neuter contract.I dont know about the other questions you have but if i were her i would simply ask them.If they dont want to answer then find another rescue.

    Thanks. I will PM you and see if it is the same place.

    DH's friend is going to ask more questions but she's having a hard time connecting with the rescuer----I explained to her that rescuers have other jobs and that it CAN be hard to connectWink LOL.....

    But she ------and her daughters---- were sent a link with cute pups in it and so of course they have a major crush on the pups and they are afraid the pups are going to be adopted to someone else. I think you can picture what I'm talking about....I don't really know her but I tried to reassure her that there ARE other puppies out there.

    In a nutshell, she wants a retriever or retriever mix pup, but not a really young one---so maybe 5-6 months old. I think there are pups out there that fit the description LOL.

    I told her I would go and visit and ask questions with her and I would keep an eye out for what she is looking for.

    Thanks for the help everyone!

     

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    Has she tried contacting a reteiever/lab resuce? I'm sure there has got to be one near you....

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    erica1989

    Has she tried contacting a reteiever/lab resuce? I'm sure there has got to be one near you....

    I don't know if she has but I am looking into them for her now Wink She is in Mass. and I tried looking for some lab transport groups that used to always have young dogs and they don't seem to be in Mass. anymore. A couple of years back Massachusetts passed some laws about quarantines for dogs coming into the state and I wonder if that hurt the rescues???

    I have been looking at some other groups and bookmarking dogs for her.

    She might be an automatic reject for some rescues because her daughters are seven and the dog would be alone from 8-noon every weekday morning. She does have labrador experience and a fenced yard---maybe that will help her....

     

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    polarexpress
    She might be an automatic reject for some rescues because her daughters are seven and the dog would be alone from 8-noon every weekday morning

    bahhh. that's the biggest problem that I have with breed specific rescues...no one is good enough for their dogs! *sigh* I wish they would be more lienent, more dogs would go home that way.

    I'll take a look around too - I'm pretty good at finding dogs. lol.

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    UPDATE:The family is NOT going to adopt from the questionable rescue!

    They were referred to a breeder. They asked me to research the breeder and I freaked on them---when I checked the ages of the dam and sire at the akc I discovered they were bred at 8 and 9 months.Angry Golden Retrievers with supposed health certs....Grrrrr. The website made them look like such "nice" breeders who really cared for their dogs.Angry I see how people can get conned...

    So now it looks like they are going with a reputable rescue or shelter.I emailed them a bunch of links and they're checking them out and discussing them. Right now the mom seems interested in a mix with a deformed tail pulled from a shelter and now in a foster home.Big Smile

    Thanks everybody!