Is this a Dogo Argentine?

Regarding the pure white cats, they don't neccessarily have to be pure white to be deaf. My mom's one vet is suprised her little kitty isn't deaf as she's a white cat whith orange points(like a siamese) and has blue eyes.

i had such cats before. one of my cats was a calico and every litter she had had flame points in them (that is three litters and  she never had more than three to a litter and strangely they were always boys..... she was a stray farm cat before i finally got her - however as soon as she was spayed she died of infection from the bloody surgery [:@] ) anyway, every one of her flame point kittens were fully functioning and quite spry and healthy. never once had a health issue with them.

as for the horses, my ex boss had white TN walkers.. their sire was supposedly a paint walker, and i THINK he was roan..... was bred to a typical black TN mare.. both foals were head to toe white with a couple of small roan spots. and one of those mares, when she was bred to a paint QH stallion threw a little white filly with blond patches, though she too was mostly white. i always wondered if Bonnie and her sister were carrying the albino gene since they were ghost white, pink rimmed eyes and sun sensitive, but didnt have blue eyes or deafness.

as for the dogo, i'm sure they can be prone to producing deafness or albinism, but who knows, what with their colourful background.... and they are mostly working dogs, which means any weak blood is quickly dealt with in the field. or that is until people decided to make these dogs into house pets..

Actually about 10% of all Dogos are born deaf. That is what I have been told anyway.

I would love to say, "who cares, it's cute" because it is! of course, we know that people DO care...

Lucky for him I couldn't care less The woman at the shelter insists he is a Dogo- she said she has looked at a lot of Dogos or something like that- and assures me that once she sends a full body photo I will be able to see the characteristics. Maybe he has the distinctive "ticking" marks? Oh well, I already told her I don't care. Bottom line, this dog has had a terrible existence so far, and didn't deserve it. That pic was the only one I could post that did not depict graphic wounds from being tied to a truck his whole life with a bungee cord.....

But it is a pet peeve of mine when rescues claim a dog to be this or that with no actual proof. If they want to say that they *think* the dominant breed is.. that's fine, as long as they admit they have no background. Most rescues I know of will be honest, but there are others who just tell people what they want to hear. I'm not saying the woman I'm talking to is doing this at all, she probably has more info than I do, just got off on a tangent there...

Bless you.

Whatever he is... he definitely deserves a life full of luxury and love. That poor guy. People make me SO MAD [:@] .. humanity embarasses me far too often. Thank God for people like you.

What a handsome boy! Please stick around and keep us posted on him and ply us tons of pictures of him []

i think they are white mostly because of the original stock being white.

I think you are right about this. I read somewhere that The Harlequin Great Dane and The Great Pyrenees were chosen to include in the breed to get a white coat. The Fighting Dog of Cordoba (now extinct) was the dog he started with- not sure if they could have been white, I can't find any pics.

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The dog in the OP doesn't really look like a Dogo, but that goes back to people being afraid to say "pit" on an adoption post.  I'll agree that it looks most like an American Bulldog, but is probably a mix.

I would love to say, "who cares, it's cute"  because it is![sm=floating.gif]  of course, we know that people DO care...[]

Yep, that's what I was thinking.  "Call em anything but a pit." Although, if you called them and American Staffshire, the average public wouldn't know that that is the real name for a pit.

I'd have them temperament test this dog a few times before you adopt him.
ALSO, if you don't know already, PLEASE educate yourself on bully breeds.
They are EXTREMELY strong dogs. I mean, you have not felt strength until you walk a bully breed dog on a leash or have one jump up and paw you (in a friendly way, of course).
I think ABs have a more...smooched in looking face with a squarer looking nose/muzzle area. She might be mixed with AB, but she looks to have APBT eyes. I'd have to see her bully smile to be able to tell.[]

there are johnsons, scotts, and johnson/scott hybrids. they all three look different. and there are variations of even those three. you have the Painter variety of the Scott that has a wee bit pit outcrossing back in the 70's which makes them more game for hunting, but you cant tell some of them apart from Williamson variety of Scotts. and then you have the BIG Johnson ABs, rumor has it that they have St Bernard outcross. Then you have the average sized Johnson that supposedly is mixed with Old Southern White, English Bulldog, and Pit bull....
Most of these outcrosses happened back in the 60's and 70's however but you still get inconsistancy as far as looks and temperament go. There are some famous AB bloodlines that look for all the world like pit bulls. And maybe they are? you have to see paper work and hope the breeder is telling the truth. Why would a breeder lie? Because he isnt selling working dogs. He is selling show dogs and is under the stigma that a good dog MUST be a purebred, but if his stock is working lines, but he is breeding for show dogs (or money) then he has to lead the buyer to believe that his dogs are full blooded American bulldogs. But there is no such thing. in all honesty the AB is a giant ugly mutt with hella working ability. the breeders have become a little more consistant than back in the 70's, when these were a rare breed, but you still come across the old souther whites that have absolutely no blood lines, no pedigree, no written history what so ever.
I would guess that this dog is OSW and nothing more. his parents and grand parents were probably working and/or guard dogs and have never seen a show ring or anything upper crust in the dog world.
What is an OSW? Simply the basic ingrediants that make up good working dogs. supposedly OSWs are whats left of the original "British Bulldog" in its truest form. OSWs are the foundation dogs for ABs. they're ugly, rough around the edges blue collar dogs. these are what i grew up with, and there are so many of them where i live now i am practically in heaven. you cant throw a rock without hitting one.

If you feel like he is a good dog for you then i say adopt him. these dogs are too good to be abused... and by that i mean these dogs will continuously take abuse from their owner and still love them in spite of it. if you think you can handle a dog like this then go for it! i most certainly would jump at the chance to have another bulldog.... *cough* if my husband would let me....

I'd have them temperament test this dog a few times before you adopt him.

Definitely. My current dog is an Akita mix, she looks very much like an Akita but was obviously mixed with a smaller breed. She is full grown at 55lb. This dog will be twice her size I'm sure, and built like a tank. I have never owned a bully breed, and though I have done research I will certainly take any tips or advice from people who have them.

I'm no expert on pits and I don't know horses from cats (achoooo! I'm allergic to both *sigh*).
 
However, I can explain the white dog deafness thing.  Shiva's right in everything she said about the merle merle breeding.  (breeding a merle to a merle -- hence "double merle").  typically the genetic odds out of 4 pups -- you'll get two 'merles', one with the much sought after really snazzy merle coat (and usually they'll charge enough for 3 dogs for that one dog) and the 4th dog will be "albino". 
 
An albino dog is as different from a white dog as an albino person is from a pale blonde. 
 
An albino literally has no pigment - hence the super light colored eyes, etc. 
 
However, the explanation in dogs re: deafness is -- ALL PUPS are born deaf.  Just like they are born blind.  Pups don't open their eyes til around day 13 or 14 (right Gina?) literally because the eyes have to finish 'forming' and maturing enough to support vision. 
 
AND ***all*** dogs are born deaf for the same reason.  The ears, after just 2 months of gestation, literally aren't mature enough TO hear. 
 
And funnily enough it is the pigment cells in the ear itself that forms the finished neural pathways so hearing can take place.  So ... if there is NO pigment in the ears, those neural pathways don't/can't form and the dog is deaf.
 
Sometimes that happens in dogs with mottled coats too -- like dals in particular -- if there is no pigment at all in that ear they can be deaf in one ear and hear fine in the other.  I don't know that much about specific breed genetics but this is why dal breeders have always put white ones to sleep -- because they *assume* the dog will be deaf, and there's always the old wives tale that a startled dog will bite.  I know even the AKC gave rescuers a hassle with dals (and I'm not sure where this all is *now* - most of my research was done back when I was living with a deaf dog ** Muffin I miss you so much **)
 
Raven -- all that being said -- I would doubt this dog is deaf because there IS pigment in the coat (it's light brown in places and I don't think that's dirt, altho it may be scar tissue) and his eyes are dark. 
 
However -- very often when the skin has been abused/hurt/injured, once that heals the pigment of the new coat can be different. 
 
Your ID doesn't say where you are -- but that looks like contact allergy to me (like from St. Augustine sod allergy or wandering jew/night blooming jasmine, etc.) -- that skin is going to be a big deal to get it and KEEP it in one piece.  I'm not saying don't take him -- but expect a challenge, and if I can help you in any way let me know.  My vet has gotten a new product (it's being recommended by U of FL apparently and his new assist. vet just went for a dermatology lecture up there) called Douxo and it's made by Soceval.  It's an antiSeborrheic.  They have it in a spray for skin and in pipettes for use in ears and it's really good on sore nasty skin like that.  I've been using it on Billy -- and it's not only good stuff, it's mostly more natural ingredients -- not steroid.
 
I'd also see if you can lay your hands on SEVERAL aloe plants -- just plain old aloe that you harvest from the 'leaves' (you just slit the leaf in half flat-wise and scrape it and the whole inside of the 'leaf' turns to goo -- it's a succulent) -- just smearing that on sore skin like that can truly help a ton to take away the inflammation.  I also have a wad of samples of RexEme cream I've been hoarding and if you take him I'll send them to you -- they should help til you can get it healed up.
 
He needs someone who cares -- but I gotta echo what was said above about temperament testing this guy in a big way.  he's had a rough life -- let's not put him in a situation where he feels like he 'can't win' and where he gets aggressive because his head has been too messed up from prolonged abuse.  If you have others it pays to be over-cautious. 

the neck injury may also be from one of two other things, one an imbedded collar.
This the pup i co-own with my cousin... however i may as well stop saying that lol
she is firm attached to this mug, and was only keeping him to help me out. he's her first
ever bulldog. The people we got him from claimed they had no idea what happened to his neck.
said they thought he was caught under their bed or something....

i think they just couldnt tell the truth. this dog pulls like a demon. we bought him a halter so we wouldnt hurt his neck further, but he ended up with a raw ridge across the nose just from pulling against the halter. however it wasnt as easy to pull against that as it is to pull against a collar. but yeah that neck got a LOT worse, this pic was taken the day after we brought him home... and even with the absence of a collar the skin tissue got real ugly.

my other dog Kaydee has a bad reaction to flea medications.. even the ones made for sensitive dogs that you have to get from the vet. as soon as i put it on her she went absolutely insane trying to scratch her skin off.. so i had to wash hard earned money down the drain to keep her from hurting herself.
you cant really see it, but in this picture she was clearing up from the reaction around her neck.

it was so bad that i was afraid to take her out in public or for a walk around our block.... she looked like she had
just jumped right out of the fighting ring!! her face was broke out, her neck was a mess, and her shoulder blades
were bloodied up. if i want to keep fleas off her i have literally hand pick them off myself.
bulldog breeds are known for sensitive skin, which is weird considering how tough this breed is... a little thing
like a flea can ruin their lives!! not always.... but it can for some.

anyway just something else to consider if you do get him.
if he passes the temperament test then you might want to find out from a vet if he has an allergy to chemicals like Kaydee,
or if he is a leash puller like Bo was.

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Yep, that's what I was thinking.  "Call em anything but a pit." Although, if you called them and American Staffshire, the average public wouldn't know that that is the real name for a pit.

 
i don't want to split hairs here, because i know you meant well when you posted this, but technically an AmStaff and an APBT are separate breeds.
 
you are right, however, when you say that people will call a dog ANYTHING just to keep from saying "pit".  it's really a shame that it's come to that.

i couldnt agree more. not only is it a misnomer but its blaming another breed IF there is an incident. being honest helps because it helps pinpoint the problem area. we already know it isnt the dogs at fault but the lack of training from their owners. I would LIKE to think that the majority of good pits probably outweigh the bad ones.
however some shelters have the policy that if its a pit or looks like a pit it must be PTS.. thanks PETA.

I was basing my 'guess' on contact allergy from more than just the appearance of the neck.  When there's an ingrown collar it often will make a slash (like in the above) -- in fact I've often seen those when they finally heal and grow in ... the coat comes in the secondary color rather than the original color (just something that happens with hair and scar tissue).  One dog I fostered looked like she had a pretty white necklace (and she was otherwise black with a couple of white spots) -- but that scar tissue hair grew in white.
 
No, mostly I was seeing the widespread chest rash, AND specifically the pink skin around the eyes and muzzle.  Those two areas are often areas that take on severe irritation with contact allergy.  I've seen dogs actually look like they have 'lipstick' on because when they lick the paws (because the contact allergen burns) they get the allergen on their mouth as well.  Then they rub their face on something and the eyes get irritated. 
That pink skin tho -- that can surely mean contact allergy IF it is sore.  Some dogs just plain have pink skin but if it is sore, it's a dead giveaway that it's contact allergy.

i find it strange too how the hair grows back white after a scar has healed. Kaydee has white spots on her black eye patch from her allergies, they look like scars from a fight... so i am super paranoid about her. if she ever got loose and was picked up by the animal control there is no telling what they would think of her. Good thing she is dog friendly for the most part. but.. still
and i agree with you, Callie but was also tossing some other "maybes" out there too []
one thing i would be afraid of is maybe its the beginning of red mange. i dont know much about it, but i saw one dog with it, also an OSW. it started small and then it soon consumed his whole body. the local rednecks and country boys around here say the best cure for red mange is a bullet.... but i dont know. i do know that poor dog suffered needlessly and no medecine or treatments helped him. he belonged to one of my brother's friends, so i got to see him often, which broke my heart every time.

how ever, looking at this dog again.. his neck looks really dirty, like dried blood from an open wound, like maybe it was oozing or something. the skin looks pink but its the same shade of pink on his muzzle, which is normal for the most part.

jeez... looking at this poor dog is making me depressed. Raven if you dont adopt him soon i might have to do it myself!!! []

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