I cannot believe some people (aDork)

    • Gold Top Dog

    i hate it when people are more clever than i.... nearly fell out of my chair over that video, Dog_ma Big Smile 

     

    ETA .... funny they used actual game pit bulls. though they might have been wiser to leave Chinaman OUT of the line-up. the first thing he did when he got to his new home was bite his master.... but he was a sick scrawny wormy puppy at the time .. or so the story says.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Haha , thats just the tip of the iceberg, I didnt want to overwhlem anyone. I could go on for days, LOL.

    I dont get why people believe the media hype about pit bulls when they cant even report serious stuff like war, elections, 9/11 and other important stuff, LOL! Plus its a proven fact that BSL dosnt work, it only enforces the network of irresponsible owners and breeders becasue they have to go underground to house their dogs. It actually does more harm then good......

    http://www.thedogpress.com/SideEffects/side_effects_leg_01.asp

    Thats why I propose breeding restrictions as well as having to license your dog yearly and pay a hefty fee. Lets say a $500 fee per year for pit bulls. No thug is going to pay that and if he is caught with a unregistered dog in public or at home it will be taken away. It sure would weed out the dumb owners.

    Also a lot of people forget that 50 years ago the APBT was in the top 5 family dogs, they were the mascot for Sony and the Lil Rascals.....if they were so bad it would be ahuge liability and bad marketing move to have them representing their company.

     

     I'd also like to point out that Pit Bulls are NOT what they used to be. I cant assume these new breedings of the APBT were done with the consideration of healthy temperments becasue in the old days figthing dogs were immedialty culled if they were known to be man biters. They couldnt have a vicious fighting dog in the ring if a human was the one who had to break them apart. The dogs needed to be able to be called off. I theorize that the unstable temperments of the pits we know today are in direct correlation with the fact that fighting has changed. Nowadyas they find the meanest two pits, throw them in the ring and let them go at it until one is dead or they are tired enough to be able to enter the ring. So basically......new breeders who breed to fight will breed two of the meanest dogs were in the old days they still bred stable dogs.

    When you think of Pit Bull you might think of this......

    That is NOT a pit bull. That is a mutt that is overbred but still a humans fault.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Oh if you like that vid, you'll love this one.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FV7aLCrgX0

    I'd also like to share with you some photos, if you cant stand to see them then maybe you should rightfully start pointing the finger at the humans........

    This guy lived....he lived to lead a happy normal life and even though he was hurt by huamsn he devotes his life to them now and greets everyoen with a wagging tail......but you didnt see THAT on the news....

    *EDITED: GRAPHIC MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE FOLLOWING LINKS*

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/sheprano08/work%20stuff/gypsysmallsurgery.jpg

    This is Casey, she was burnt with acid but still gives kisses to everyone who passes her

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/sheprano08/work%20stuff/BuAnimalAbuse-002.jpg

    Artie here still has major digestive and stomach issues but he's as happy as can be!

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/sheprano08/work%20stuff/abused-pit-bull2.jpg

    A lot of breeds would be too traumatized to go on loving humans but a pit bull was bred to endure pain and still love

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    And just incase you dont believe these dogs have continued to be loving creatures here are some videos of abused, burnt pit bulls who still are happy as can be and love humans......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGQsfeCr_E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJItdoliW2Y&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIOqir0vaM&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl5cOchp8VM&feature=related

    IF ALL OF THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO WATCH THEN WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DOG DOO DOO LADY!

     

    • Gold Top Dog

     Not cool to force those pics on people. No

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    Dog_ma

     Not cool to force those pics on people. No

    Why not? Its reality?

    Why should I be forced to be subjected to other's uneducated opinion that effects the ownership of my dog? Its people like her who spread mass hysterical myths about the breed that put my dog in jeopardy. If they were my dogs would it be less cruel? If my dogs had been ripped out of my home due to BSL would it be ok for me to post those? Its ok for me to sit here in tears when I hear or read a story about a abused animal but god forbid I try and spread knowledge? Ignorance is bliss huh?

    If she has the audacity to sit their and spout false statements as truth she is opening herself up to adverse FACTS and experiences

    Should she be allowed to sit there and bash a breed that has paid enough already? What is it gonna take for people to take responsibility for what they have allowed other humans to do to helpless animals.

    At least I am speaking with passion and for something I LIVE for that effects my daily life. I am speaking on behalf of members of my family, beings that share my bed and my heart. She is speaking out of a couple of crappy experiences due to irresponsible owners and she is speaking nonsense

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    That is so mean, some people are so small minded!

    Obviously, with any dog, not just pitbulls, the way they are being treated effects the way they act, why should one breed be slated because of how humans are treating a number of them? I even read in the newspaper the other day, about a labrador attacking a 2 year old child, and they began to say that labradors dont make good family pets and are vicious. And euthanizing any dog on its type of breed without them being put through behaviour tests is completely wrong!

    • Gold Top Dog

    Oh geeze.  Those pics bring tears to my eyes.

    I don't now and have never owned a pittie.  I don't especially want to own a pittie, not because of their reputation, but because I happen to be nutty enough to like a furrier dog.  And Jaime, Amstaffy, breeds absolutely gorgeous staffies, but, they are so well muscled and I don't particularly care for that look.  All that said, though, there is a pitty in rescue who I am absolutely in love with.  But, man, the in is BEYOND full at the moment.  And, despite my vague dislike for the appearance, I will still argue with anyone who says that as a breed they are BAD, and I'll fight to the death for the rights of good and responisble people to own them.

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    xdogloverx

    I even read in the newspaper the other day, about a labrador attacking a 2 year old child, and they began to say that labradors dont make good family pets and are vicious.

    I would LOVE to know what paper this was.

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    AuroraLove
    license your dog yearly and pay a hefty fee. Lets say a $500 fee per year for pit bulls. No thug is going to pay that and if he is caught with a unregistered dog in public or at home it will be taken away. It sure would weed out the dumb owners.

     

    out of everything you said this is the only thing i disagree with. according to the experts out in the field catching all the illegal dog fights and rubbing elbows with the pro's the thugs are quite rich because of the fighting AND the drug dealing that goes on right beside the pits.

    i'm afraid the $500 fee wouldnt do anything to stop the bad guys because they already have the dough to be legal... for a change. this would make their day i'm afraid. however people like me and a few others would lose our rights because there is no way on Gods green earth could i fork over $500 right now, or even six months from now.

    i think there needs to be more involved than just money.

    remember the golden rule?

    "Whoever has the gold MAKES the rules!" 

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    AuroraLove

    Dog_ma

     Not cool to force those pics on people. No

    Why not? Its reality?

    Why should I be forced to be subjected to other's uneducated opinion that effects the ownership of my dog? Its people like her who spread mass hysterical myths about the breed that put my dog in jeopardy. If they were my dogs would it be less cruel? If my dogs had been ripped out of my home due to BSL would it be ok for me to post those? Its ok for me to sit here in tears when I hear or read a story about a abused animal but god forbid I try and spread knowledge? Ignorance is bliss huh?

    If she has the audacity to sit their and spout false statements as truth she is opening herself up to adverse FACTS and experiences

    Should she be allowed to sit there and bash a breed that has paid enough already? What is it gonna take for people to take responsibility for what they have allowed other humans to do to helpless animals.

    At least I am speaking with passion and for something I LIVE for that effects my daily life. I am speaking on behalf of members of my family, beings that share my bed and my heart. She is speaking out of a couple of crappy experiences due to irresponsible owners and she is speaking nonsense

     

    Ignorance is bliss? You know, a lot of people post and read here. I've seen pictures of abused and torn up dogs. Ok? And they have a time and a place. But this is a "family friendly" board and I don't expect to suddenly, without warning, be faced with graphic and upsetting pictures. I'm a staunch advocate for pitbulls, but I'm not going to read or post about them if pictures like that are tossed in unexpectedly.

    I'm out. 

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    BlackLabbie

    I would LOVE to know what paper this was.

    I dont know what paper that was from but here are some articles about Lab attacks........why is it they all seem so vague and short of details?

    Reporters are so clueless!

     

    http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/Pet-dies-after-dog-attack.3988587.jp

    http://www.dogflu.ca/04062008/11/dog_attack_ripps_mans_ears_and_genitals

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    Dog_ma

    Ignorance is bliss? You know, a lot of people post and read here. I've seen pictures of abused and torn up dogs. Ok? And they have a time and a place. But this is a "family friendly" board and I don't expect to suddenly, without warning, be faced with graphic and upsetting pictures. I'm a staunch advocate for pitbulls, but I'm not going to read or post about them if pictures like that are tossed in unexpectedly.

    I'm out. 

    I'm terribly sorry you feel that way. I appreciate and respect your word and opinion VERY much Dogma. However I've been face to face with many abused dogs of all breeds and I TRULY feel that knoweldge and education is the best way to stop animal abuse. I cringe at thinking a child would have to see these pictures but at least they'd learn a valuable lesson.......although not as harsh as the truth abused dogs and cats face everyday, day in and day out. Only humans can stop it so they should be the first to know what exactly is going on.

    What if one of those dogs were your babies? I hope you come back and particiapte in this conversation.

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    AuroraLove

    I dont know what paper that was from but here are some articles about Lab attacks........why is it they all seem so vague and short of details?

    Reporters are so clueless!

    Oh, I know there are many Lab attacks....that's what happens when a breed is over bred (like pits)! You get every Tom, ***, and Harry thinking they come trained...Angry

    ETA: Not sure if you remember, I was nipped in the face by a Lab out of the blue...forgot to update that post, but I started walking her again and everything is back to normal with her, but her owners are doing things different at home which it making all the difference (in a good way!).

    • Gold Top Dog

    Actually, there is a major problem with labs as far as temperament goes.  Many, MANY labs are totally necrotic because they are being bred by idiots and raised by people who don't know any better.  One town near us had a citizen push for a pit bull ban.  The town's response?  They told the guy that they would not because pit bites were not really an issue--the biggest biter in the area were labs.  My friend used to work at a pet supply store and she has been attacked twice (one lunged at her face and one chased her onto a register).  I have read several sources that advises buyers to be *very* careful when when getting a puppy because BYB good lab temperaments are not a "given" anymore.  On my lab board there was a woman with an adult lab that had always been fine with other dogs.  A couple of weeks after getting a new puppy (that he was also fine with) the dog suddenly attacked the pup so viciously that it nearly bled to death right in front of the owner.  On one of our walking routes we pass a pit bull (our town has lots of pits) and a lab--different houses, both ties up.  Guess which one lunges at the tie out like he is going to eat passing dogs alive--just as a hint, it ain't the pit.  Part of the reason that we got Jack from a good breeder was because of this issue.

    I don't say this to be down on labs (obviously since I have one).  I love the breed and it sickens me to see that things like temperament, which is the breeds strong suit, are being ignored.

    In our area GSDs are also very over bred.  I was bitten by one as a child and got 21 stitches.  I have been chased by two on separate occasions.  I had one nearly eat Sally (the pit mix, BTW) on a hike, I had one (a seeing eye dog in training no less) go after Jack when he was a pup, my friend has one GSD so dog aggressive that it has actively tried to kill two dogs--one was an adult boxer, the GSD latched on had to be beaten in to face repeatedly to make him let go, the other was a 10 week old puppy he tried to drag into his kennel and tear apart.  I local man had to shoot a loose GSD to stop him from killing his lab.  The nicest GSD dog I knew still had an iffy temperament, and would attack if people were roughhousing. 

    So, should I therefore conclude that GSD are a "horrible" breed?  Me thinks not.  Actually, I'm not sure why a dog lover would declare every member of any breed "horrible."  There are a number of breeds that I do not care of and do not see why anyone would own them, yet I don't think of any of them as "horrible."  Heck, I don't even think of the various dogs that may have caused harm to me or my dogs that way.

    Are there issues with pit bulls.  YES.  However, most of the issues that I see (and I live in a town with a LOT of pit bulls and live in a county that has had issues with fighting) are not with the dogs themselves, but are truly with the owners.  This is not a breed for people who are not into training, exercising, socializing, and generally spending a great deal of time with there dogs.  However, the vast majority of those that own pits have no *idea* what they are doing when it comes to dogs and have little to no interest in learning.  I'm sure many pit owners don't see bites coming.  Signs of aggression can be easy to miss when you pay very little attention to your dog and/or don't know very much about dogs in the first place and/or don't care about or mistake signs of aggression for normal behaviors/behaviors you want/behaviors that are no big deal.  I'm not saying that this is every case, but I'd bet the farm that it is the majority.

    In our area, and I don't think we are alone in this, pit bulls have become to poor white/black/hispanic folks what the labrador is to the yuppy .  If you want a large dog, you get a pit--it's just what you do.  You can generally get pit pups anywhere--online, out of the back of a truck, at the flea market, out of the paper for $100 and sometimes less--you can often get a pup for free.  You may or may not walk it on a logger chain, keep it tied out on a logger chain, walk it around on collars huge enough to safely walk a horse in order to impress/threaten your neighbors, feed it gun powder, etc.  You keep it intact because that somehow makes you more "manly" and in many cases generally encourage the dog to be aggressive.  You further endear him and yourself to the entire neighborhood by tying him up close enough to the side walk to freak out passersby and/or let him run the neighborhood free.  You then most likely breed it--if it has the plumbing why not breed it, right?  You can make all kinds of money on "rare" blues, whites, red noses, and brindles with very little white (this is Sally's color and I have gotten a couple of breeding propositions).  If you are really hardcore evil then you even fight/attempt to fight the dog.  After a while the dog gets picked up by AC to many times, or is too much work, or the price of it's Kibbles 'n Bits get in the way of you 2 pack a day habit, or you want another color or dog, or the dog is not aggressive enough, or your landlord gets fed up and won't renew your lease, and you dump the dog at the shelter, or out in the country. 

    Ultimately, the pit bull haters generally get their wish because these dogs usually do die--they get hit by a car, shot, hung, poisoned, put down in shelters, etc.  One in 400 pit bulls gets a good home.  They are America's throw away dogs.  And, interestingly enough, like their poor white/black/Hispanic owners, the majority of mainstream America doesn't care what happens to them as long as they are not in their community.

    This is not an issue that is going to be solved with banning, hand wringing, excusing dangerous temperament or sitting around talking about how horrible the breed is.  It is only going to be changed with a shift of attitudes, a transition from ghetto/trailer/hillbilly trash dog to breed that can be a great family dog, but needs special handling (just like MANY other breeds I could list).  AC needs to crack down on dangerous dogs (of all breeds), law enforcement needs to start treating dog fighting as the hideous cancer to the community that it is, and populations need to be brought under control.  Pits need to start to be seen less as demons and more as the mere dogs that they are.