Coyote Attack

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     I agree with CoBuHe 100%.... on all accounts really... but most certainly agree that the social aspect of your dogs should be taken into consideration. i have seen dogs seemingly change personalities after a skirmish like this.

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    dgriego

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    Hating a wild species for being good at living is wrong and that's what my moral compass tells me. End of story.

     

     Never said I hated them, in fact I think I said that I like and respect them, I enjoy their song at night and I enjoy seeing them in their home, I just draw the line at allowing them to be comfortable in mine.

     

    Confused  Who has said they hate coyotes?

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    I'm soo glad the vet visit went well.  Give your babies some lovins from me.  Please keep us posted on how they're doing.

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    Dog_ma

    dgriego

    corvus
    Hating a wild species for being good at living is wrong and that's what my moral compass tells me. End of story.

     

     Never said I hated them, in fact I think I said that I like and respect them, I enjoy their song at night and I enjoy seeing them in their home, I just draw the line at allowing them to be comfortable in mine.

     

    Confused  Who has said they hate coyotes?

     

    without reading all 500 pages word for word i'm going to guess it was an implication from someone who read too much into someone elses comments.

     

     

    personally i love coyotes....

     

     

    they make the warmest hats and gloves!!  

     

    ok that was in poor taste Stick out tongue 

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    DumDog

     

     

     


     

    they make the warmest hats and gloves!!  

     

    ok that was in poor taste Stick out tongue 

    Maybe ... but it's still pretty funny. Smile Thanks for injecting a bit of levity into what has the potential to turn into a really ugly thread.

    Joyce

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    I'm a bit confused about the rabies test. The AC officer said two weeks but the cop said only a week. I'm going to call on Monday (it will have been 8 dyas by then) just to check in. Even though I know Rory and Primo are in the clear it is still information my neighbors and myself should now.

    I have been SUPER worried about their future behavior becasue Rory has been obsessive about noises outside since the accident. She put her big fat face through my blinds which is something she has never done before. But on tuesday at the vet she loved up a yorkie mix very nicely so that made me feel good. Primo just looked the other way which is his usual behavior to dogs....except puppies....he loves him some puppies! but as long as he isnt being grumpy I'm ok with his aloofness.  I've yet to take them on a walk in a populated area only because the vet said not to let Rory exert herself for the next couple of days. We went around the neighborhood and she was awfully nosey but that might just be my paranoia, LOL.

    They do jam out the back door like they are on a mission everytime I open the door but I'm sure that is normal considering the situation. I was glad to see their behavior was completely different in the front yard, they were not doing the whole perimiter check routine and were just lazing around. Across the street is a construction office so in the early a.m. they post up in front because all the worker men come to say Hello.

    We are going on our first official walk this evening!

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    Back to the topic...

    Aurora, your dogs both acted on their instincts, and if their instinct was telling them to protect you, I think you have every right to be proud of them...
    Give them a lot of kisses and keep us posted.

     

    And for the ones saying she should recall them...
    Are you telling me that your dogs come to you every time when you tell them to,  in every situation, that they have a 100% recall??? There is no such thing... They are animals, don't mix things. They are domesticated but they haven't lost their instincts, they are deep inside them and sometimes when they come out it can be very surprising...

    Animals are still animals, you have to trust in the things you learned them to do, but never do so completely. I for once, do not trust my beagle enough to let him loose in the woods - I have done everything in my power to teach him to come to me when I call him, but I promise you that if he finds a fresh track, he will go after it... Following his nose, deaf and blind to everything surrounding him...

    And I can also promise you that my horse will always try to run away if he sees a bear approaching us, not reacting to any command I give him, regardless of his great training and his obedience, or his trust in me... His instinct in that matter will always be stronger.

    The worst thing you can do in human - animal relationships is to give human characteristics to animals... It is the reason of many problems. Love them, adore them, but don't forget who they really are...

     

    And once again, Aurora, you have great dogs and all the right in the world to be proud of them!
     

     

     

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    are you talking about a rabies test on the coyote?   I don't think there is one to test on live animals.  Anywhere, here in Tecas the heads are sent to Austin to be tested for rabies.  Not long ago one of the techs was tellng me about a small dog that had suddenly gone crazy and when owner brought her in, she bit this tech.  Owner had her put down and they did sen head to Austin, but was negative.  I don't know how long it takes, but would think it wouldn't be long.  The tech waited on results before taking any shots.  And with rabies, you don't wait that long.

     About 40 years ago a fox got after my cousin, tried to get thru the screen door at him--and their mut, Poncho, attcked the fox.  The fox got away, but Poncho had been bitten a coupel of times.  He had had his rabies vax, but they had to pen him up for I ma thing 6 weeks.  Uncle built a specail pen for him.  A fox was killed a day or two later and hung on a barbed wire fence and otning disturbed the body--it just ended up ortting away.  We always thought that was probably the fox that got after C.R. and it ws rabid.  Poncho didn't develo rabies and was let out of the pen at the end of quarrantine time.

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    they make the warmest hats and gloves!!  

    Oh man!!!  Hmm

    I also think the only way to tell if the animal is rabid by sending off their head for testing. Once their dead that is.       A client at our clinic... put their Beagle down because it bit his girlfriend for the manyth ( ??? ) time...this time in the face.  Instead of holding and quarentine he put him down so they had to send his head off. It was so sad for our entire hospital!

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    AuroraLove

    I'm a bit confused about the rabies test. The AC officer said two weeks but the cop said only a week. I'm going to call on Monday (it will have been 8 dyas by then) just to check in. Even though I know Rory and Primo are in the clear it is still information my neighbors and myself should now.

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    Pollyanna, my little foster bit the transport gal.  She was then under a state mandated 10 day quarantine.  I referenced this from a site:

      1. A dog, cat, or ferret that is not currently vaccinated against rabies, that bites or reportedly bites a human will be considered a rabies suspect and will be seized by the Rabies Control Authority and quarantined under such conditions as are outlined in an official quarantine order issued by the Rabies Control Authority or Public Health Official. The quarantine shall be conducted under the supervision of a veterinarian, for a period of not less than 10 days from the date of the bite. Alternatively, at the discretion of the Rabies Control Authority or Public Health Official the animal may be humanely euthanatized and tested for rabies in an approved laboratory. Quarantined animals may be treated by a veterinarian, but rabies vaccine should not be administered to the animal until the quarantine period is complete.

      2. The rabies suspect dog, cat, or ferret will be examined by a licensed veterinarian at the beginning and at the end of the quarantine period, to determine its health status. The results of the examination will be recorded and communicated to the Rabies Control Authority, the Public Health Official, and the owner.

      3. If at any point during the quarantine period or upon examination, the dog, cat, or ferret shows signs of illness compatible with rabies, the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official will order the immediate humane euthanasia and rabies testing of the quarantined animal in an approved laboratory after conferring with the examining veterinarian.

      4. If at the end of the quarantine period the dog, cat, or ferret shows no signs of illness compatible with rabies, it may be released from quarantine with the approval of the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official. Prior to its release, the dog, cat, or ferret will be vaccinated against rabies at the owner's expense. Alternatively, the dog, cat, or ferret will be vaccinated within 72 hours of release. The owner will pay to the Rabies Control Authority a prescribed rabies vaccination deposit that will be reimbursed upon the presentation of proof of rabies vaccination by a private veterinarian.

    1. Other Animals

      1. Animals, other than dogs, cats, or ferrets, that bite or reportedly bite a human will, at the discretion of the Public Health Official, be treated according to the circumstances of exposure, the species, and the presence of rabies in the area. The pathogenesis and length of incubation and virus shedding periods of rabies in those other animals is unknown.

      2. The animal may at the discretion of the Public Health Official, be seized by the Rabies Control Authority and immediately euthanatized for rabies testing in an approved laboratory. Reports of the laboratory test will be provided to the Rabies Control Authority, the Public Health Official, the bite victim and the submitting veterinarian.

    Section VI - Animals that are Bitten by or Potentially Exposed to Rabid or Suspect Rabid Animals

    1. Dogs, Cats, or Ferrets Currently Vaccinated Against Rabies

      1. A currently vaccinated dog, cat, or ferret that is bitten by, or otherwise potentially exposed to a rabid or suspect rabid animal will be revaccinated immediately and placed in isolation under observation for 45 days or euthanatized.

      2. At the end of the isolation period, the dog, cat, or ferret will be examined by a veterinarian who will report the results of the examination to the Rabies Control Authority or Public Health Official.

      3. If the examination determines that the dog, cat, or ferret is free of signs of illness compatible with rabies, it may be released from isolation with the approval of the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official.

      4. If at any point during the isolation period or upon examination, the dog, cat or ferret shows signs of illness compatible with rabies, the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official will order the immediate humane euthanasia and rabies testing in an approved laboratory of the animal after conferring with the examining veterinarian.

    2. Dogs, Cats, or Ferrets that are Unvaccinated or Not Currently Vaccinated Against Rabies.

      1. A dog, cat, or ferret that is not currently vaccinated against rabies and is bitten by or otherwise potentially exposed to a rabid or suspect rabid animal shall be euthanatized immediately.

      2. If the owner is unwilling to consent to euthanasia, the animal shall be seized by the Rabies Control Authority and impounded at the owner's expense for six months in strict isolation, under such conditions as are outlined in an official isolation order issued by the Rabies Control Authority. If the animal shows no signs of rabies at the end of five months, it will be vaccinated against rabies at that time.

      3. At the end of the six- month impoundment, the dog, cat, or ferret will be examined by a licensed veterinarian who will report the results of the examination to the Rabies Control Authority or Public Health Official.

      4. If the examination determines that the dog or cat is free of signs of illness compatible with rabies, it may be released from impoundment with the approval of the Public Health Official.

      5. If at any point during the impoundment period or upon examination, the dog, cat or ferret shows signs of illness compatible with rabies, the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official will order the immediate humane euthanasia and testing of the impounded animal after conferring with the examining veterinarian.

    3. Livestock

      1. Currently vaccinated livestock bitten by or otherwise potentially exposed to rabid or suspect rabid animal will be revaccinated immediately and isolated under observation for 45 days or be euthanatized.

      2. Unvaccinated livestock should be slaughtered immediately. If the owner is unwilling to have this done, the animal will be kept in strict isolation for six months under such conditions as are outlined in an official isolation order issued by the Rabies Control Authority.

    4. Other Animals

      Any animal, other than a dog, cat, ferret, or livestock that is bitten by or otherwise potentially exposed to a rabid or suspect rabid animal should be euthanatized immediately. Animals maintained in USDA-licensed research facilities or accredited zoological parks that are exposed or potentially exposed to rabies shall be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by the Rabies Control Authority or the Public Health Official.

    5. Testing of Suspect Rabid Animals

      If a suspect rabid animal is available for testing, an animal that was bitten by or otherwise potentially exposed to the suspect rabid animal will be isolated pending the rabies testing result on the suspect animal. If the testing results are negative, the bitten or otherwise potentially exposed animal shall be released with the approval of the Rabies Control Authority or Public Health Official.

    Section VII - Impoundment of Animals found in violation of this code.

    1. The Rabies Control Authority shall operate a shelter or shelters, or the Rabies Control Authority may enter into a cooperative agreement with a licensed veterinarian or other organization for the establishment and operation of a quarantine facility.

    2. Any animal that is found off the owner's premises running at large or without a valid rabies vaccination tag shall be impounded. All impounded animals shall be given proper care and maintenance. Each impounded animal shall be kept and maintained at the shelter for a minimum of 5 days (120 hours), unless it is reclaimed earlier by the owner.

    3. Notice of impoundment of all animals, including any significant identification marks, shall be posted at the shelter as public notification of impoundment.

    4. An owner may reclaim a vaccinated animal that is impounded for lack of a rabies vaccination tag by furnishing proof of rabies vaccination and paying all impoundment and licensing fees prior to release.

    5. An owner may reclaim an unvaccinated animal during the period of impoundment by paying the prescribed shelter and rabies vaccination fees of $____. A rabies vaccination must be administered prior to or within 72 hours of release. If rabies vaccination is not performed prior to or at the time of release, arrangements will be made by the local government to reimburse the rabies vaccination fee to a veterinarian designated by the owner after receipt of proof of vaccination.

    6. Any animal that is unclaimed at the end of 5 days becomes the property of the Rabies Control Authority in accordance with applicable laws and regulations.

    Section VIII - Penalties for Violation of Ordinance

    Any animal owner who fails to comply with any of the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of an infraction and subject to a fine of not less than $ _______ nor more than $ ______

    Section IX - Shelter Fees

    Impoundment fees shall be paid by the owner.

    Section X - Enforcement

    It shall be the responsibility of the __________________ to administer this ordinance, and to promulgate the necessary rules and regulations for its implementation. Enforcement shall be the responsibility of ________________

    Effective ____________ in the (city, town, village, or county) of ____________ all regulations pertaining to rabies control (and licensing) will be enforced by the (local, county, or state) enforcement officers, or others with regulatory authority specified by the governing unit.

    Explanatory Notes

    Communities that require licensure of dogs or cats may insert the following sections in the model ordinance:

    Licensing

    Effective (date) __________ in the (city, town, village, or county) of ________________ every dog or cat 4 months of age and older shall be licensed. On proof of rabies vaccination in accordance with Section II of this ordinance, and upon application for licensure and payment of the required fee to the clerk (city, town, village, or county) of _______________ , a license shall be issued.

    All licenses will expire_________________________________, and each year thereafter.

    Fees

    The license fees shall be as follows:
        Male (sexually intact)
        Male (neutered)
        Female (sexually intact)
        Female (neutered)

    NOTE: Rabies vaccinations may be recommended for animals other than dogs, cats, and ferrets for which a USDA licensed vaccine is available; however a current vaccination history may not eliminate the need for euthanasia and rabies testing if the animal bites a human.

     

    American Veterinary Medical Association
    Copyright © 2008

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    AuroraLove
    I'm a bit confused about the rabies test. The AC officer said two weeks but the cop said only a week. I'm going to call on Monday (it will have been 8 dyas by then) just to check in.

    Any info yet on whether or not the coyote was rabid?

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    janet_rose

    Any info yet on whether or not the coyote was rabid?

    That & I need an update of how Rory & Primo are healing.

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    The buttheads still havnt gotten results back. The AC officer said our county see's minimal rabies cases but they said by friday we should get the tests back. I've still spread the word around the neighborhood.

    I just posted pics and a video of Rory in the photo section! I also posted two videos in the obediance section! They went swimming this past weekend and they got tired pretty easily, LOL

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    I saw your post in the photos section.  I'm so happy they seem to be healing.  They sure looked like pooped puppers.  I'm sure it will take a while for them to get back to full steam.  They DID have some fairly serious injuries.

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    I too am very happy to see them healing quickly.  That was one bad scene, one which I hope you never ever experience again in your whole life.