Help!!! Someone ate the bottle of Rimadyl

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    Help!!! Someone ate the bottle of Rimadyl

    I was helping Josh w/ his homework and feeling crummy so I wasn't paying good enough attention.  DH just found the empty bottle laying in the blanket that all the dogs lay on.  I don't know which one of them got the pills.  There were probably 10-12 pills 75mg in the bottle.  I don't know what to do.  Wally's giving everyone peroxide to make them puke....what else....

    What should I be watching for? How much peroxide?

    The bottle doesn't even look chewed I don't know how they got it open....

     

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    VET NOW absolutely -- that much is bona fide poison and will cause liver/renal failure.  Sorry -- since you don't know "who" you need to address it all, but if ONE dog got ALL that (which is the likelihood) - that's a poisonous dose of 200 mg. pills.

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    a teaspoon or teaspoon and a half of peroxide -- if no results repeat in 10 minutes. 

    A vet can honestly do this FASTER.  Even one ibuprophen (the adult one is 200 mg) is all they'll give a BIG dog ... but that many pills of even the kids size honestly could truly be fatal to one dog. 

    A vet can give ALL of them something to make them throw up immediately -- honestly, this is a vet emergency if you can't get them to throw up the first time.  Kids chewables taste good -- so they probably got chewed up and are in the stomach so an antidote may need to be given.  Bad news, I know, but let's put it this way.  With ibuprophen you have a chance.  If it was Tylenol it would likely just be fatal.

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    Oh geez!  Get to a vet now!!!

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    I don't have any advice for you, i think callie and grady haveit covered, but i want to say I am thinking about you and your dogs tonight, and praying that they are all safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I am also praying for your dogs and hope they are o.k. 

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    Called the E-vet. (would need directions)  They said b/c we are 45 min from them it would be faster for us to make them throw-up then bringing them in.  Just to clarify, it wasn't ibprofen it was rimadyl.  Not sure if it matters since they're in the same family.  So far the ones that have thrown up have had no pills in them.  If their are any other problems I'm supposed to call the vet back. 

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     No Advice, Just want to lend good vibes for your pack...

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    Everyone threw up.  We found what we think were pill fragments from Co-Co.  I'm not sure if that's possible since hours had gone by (we were told the pills would have been digested by now)  Wally is on the phone w/ the E-vet.  They said there may be a med they can give her to help lessen the effects but they have to check to see if it would hurt her if she hadn't takrn anything (since we aren't 100% sure it was her).......well now they're saying they think it would be better to just take the dogs to ourvet tomorrow and get their liver values checked.

    Everyone's acting normal......

    I'm so mad at myself for not paying closer attention

    thanks for the good thoughts,we sure need them 

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    milk thistle -- LOTS of it for days.

    Sorry I was rushing out before and I thot it said "Advil" since you were talking about your son not feeling well ... not Rimadyl (was rushing).  But still -- that's a TON of it to take for such a small dog.

    In honesty (and I've given this to Billy and I know it's not harmful) -- give 3-5 times the adult human dose of milk thistle 2-3 times a day for a couple of weeks.  Yes three to five -- I didn't mis-type.  The higher amounts of it help the kidneys, not just the liver. 

    I wish you had some *now* to give.  That will help detox the liver and help heal it.  I've seen milk thistle bring liver values way way down.  It can also help with kidney stuff as well but man, I wish you had it *now*.  The sooner you can get

    The one *good* thing is that the liver will regenerate.

     Don't just get a few blood values checked.   Carprophen didn't get approved for human use because of what it does to the **kidneys** so that truly is the one to be concerned about. 

    Dr. D and I went thru this when Billy was on the cyclosporine -- it's so bad on the kidneys.  (They used to say it wasn't ... and now they *know* it IS bad on the kidneys.)  There is a spider up in the Rocky Mts. that if it bites you then you wind up in renal *failure* within a couple of days. 

    UC Davis and a couple of other places discovered that putting people on an IV of silimarin (which is the latin name for .... yep, "milk thistle";) will actually help prevent kidney damage from occuring **IF** done fast. 

    So when he was taking all the cyclospoirine I darned near drowned the dog in milk thistle.  (He took FIVE times the adult dose of it for almost 18 months.)  But we got out of it with his kidneys in pretty good shape.  There is *some* damage.  But given how much of it he had to take and how long -- we did darned well.

    But get the vets to do a total "super chem" panel if they use Antech -- tell the vets to scrutinize the KIDNEY values and **not** just liver.  With that dose that's the biggest concern.

    The liver will regenerate -- the kidneys don't.   If the liver values are 'high' you will be able to detox Coco and get them thru it.

    Frankly -- I know this sounds silly but unless you are 199% sure it was Coco I'd be giving ALL of them milk thistle just in case.

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    They all have an appointment for as soon as I'm off work for blood tests.  They're going to start w/ Co-Co but test everyone.  I'll have Wally pick up the Milk Thisle when he gets off (he should be off earlier than me and he's also gonna call the vet to see if he can bring them in earlier).  Where do we get it from and is it a pill or a liquid?  I'm not 199% sure it was Co-Co...more like 75% so I will deffinitely give the milk thistle to everyone.

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    If you have a herbal supplement store he can go in and ask for the best brand they have. I'm not sure on brands because the store I buy mine from has the powder loose, and I measure it.

    The liquid ('tincture';) works better but MAN Pirate hates the taste, so he gets powder. Do you have a Whole Foods around? They sell a good brand.

    If you can't find it locally let me know, shoot me a PM, and I can hop right over to the store I go to and send you a big bag of the powder, and ship it Priority.

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    Megan, thanks that's very nice of you.  I found a place that's less than 5 minutes from where I work.  They said they have a tea and a capsule.  The said if I want I can break the capsule open and dump the powder out.  I think I'm gonna get the capsules now so that I have something and then try to find a place that carries the bags of powder.  If I can't find a place I may take you up on your offer :o)

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    No prob! My place carries it in a 1lb bag ;) and I know you've got a big crew.

    Hopefully Callie will pop back in, but I know she's at work. I *think* the adult dosing for the powder is 2 500 mg. capsules a day. I give Pirate the equivalent of four, every day. He doesn't even notice the taste so long as I mix it in something wet. ((YOGURT works well -- don't tell Billy the spanYELL tho or he's liable to trek on up there.))

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    Hoping all ends up OK for the dogs. Nothing to add here, except that kidneys do regen...But, most tests don't catch kidney damage until there's 75% damage to them and by then it's pretty much too late...there is a test that can catch kidney damage at a much lower level of damage.