If you have dealt with an SA dog, you have my utmost respect!!! **update**

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    If you have dealt with an SA dog, you have my utmost respect!!! **update**

    I'm currently fostering a dog that was picked up as a stray, starving and wandering.  She is a GSD/husky mix and is a very sweet dog, but right now she is in heat so she is being quite aggressive toward my dogs (she is not only defensive of her personal space, but she will charge my dogs).  I've had to take the day off of work because this dog goes into a PANIC in a crate.  Last night when I tried to crate her at bedtime I thought she would rip her feet right off trying to "dig" out of her crate.  I ended up having to give her total free reign of the house and had to sleep on the couch.  She's pretty good when I have her out, but she has disrupted the order of my dogs' lives so when she is out THEY are freaking out, pacing around and whining either behind a gate or in their crates.  It's been less than 24 hours and I'm almost to the point of tears.  I'm taking her for grooming in a bit and then we're going to the vet.  In a few days she is being transported to a rescue on the other side of the state where she will "detox" from her shelter experience and rehab before going into foster care or being available for adoption.  It's just frustrating for me because nothing is the dogs' fault and yet I can't control anything.  I can't make her understand that she doesn't need to dig out of her crate because she's safe now and it's safer in the crate.  She is sick, emaciated, has an infection/abscess in her mouth, and limps on one of her hind legs.  It must be exhausting for her to carry on like she does.  Sometimes she just stops and basically passes out, but the second there is any noise or movement she starts up again.  Tomorrow I have to return to work and I'm praying she doesn't injure herself in the crate.  The noise is not a problem during the day b/c the person on the other side of our duplex works all day, but the shrieking and howling at night can't be put on him so that's why I gave in and slept on the couch.  Who knows what will happen tonight...

    To anyone with a dog aggressive dog, SA dog, or heck even people who've had babies...I commend you!  Of course, I do not regret doing this because the dog will be saved, but I can't imagine dealing with this for weeks and months on end.

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    Sounds very, very stressful. You have my sympathies, and also some applause for helping the poor dog out!

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     Do yourself a huge favor and find either some Rescue Remedy (4 drops in a bowl of water available to her throughout the day), Calms Forte Tablets (Callie has dosage info for these I think), and/or a Dog Appeasing Pheromone (DAP) diffuser (plugin right next to the crate.  What you're seeing is probably not true SA, but just anxiety from the many changes and discomforts she's experiencing.  She may also be reacting to the confinement as she's used to a kennel vs. a crate.  Consider dosing your dogs with RR or using the diffuser as well to help them adjust to this new creature as well.  You can use RR yourself, too. ;)

    What a way to be introduced to fostering! ((hugs)) 

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    Apollo had severe S/A....he broke through 3 different crates while I was at work. I tried to confine him to 1 room (bedroom) and he ripped the molding off the wall, the door frame, the door knob, the mini blinds, the curtains, and the wall to wall carpet right up. Yah...we didn't know what to do so I quit my office job and I became a dog walker (I know not everyone has this luxury) so he could come to work with me....now (a year later) he's fine at home alone; no barking, crying, trying to brake through the door.

    You seem like a very experienced dog owner, so I think you'll do fine. It is very stressful situation though.

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    Calms Forte is available at CVS, I think, and you take 2 tabs no matter your size.
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    I hope it is going a little better now!  You are wonderful for helping this girl out - even though it is FAR from easy!  I am sure you thought of it - but can you gate her to separate her from Kenya and Coke rather than crating her?  Maybe that would be less stressful for her?  Whatever you end up being able to do for her, is amazing, it is her first step on her way toward the life she deserves...  Hang in there!!

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    schleide

    I hope it is going a little better now!  You are wonderful for helping this girl out - even though it is FAR from easy!  I am sure you thought of it - but can you gate her to separate her from Kenya and Coke rather than crating her?  Maybe that would be less stressful for her?  Whatever you end up being able to do for her, is amazing, it is her first step on her way toward the life she deserves...  Hang in there!!

     

    I can, but she bleeds all over the carpet and just paces around whining.  In the crate, she throws a fit, but then eventually settles down. It keeps the mess contained and seems to be the best compromise.  She is sick with kennel cough so I'm trying to limit her exposure.  If I use a gate and have all the dogs out, all the do is whine at each other and I don't trust my baby gate b/c Coke is so big and strong and Mandy has already tried going after both dogs (I was trying to take Mandy out to potty so I had Kenya sitting in a crate in a down-stay and Mandy ran into the crate and grabbed Kenya by the neck).

    I just got back from grooming her and we are off to the vet at 3:30....
     

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    Hang in there, Liesje! I have no helpful advice, but I'm cheering for you guys from afar. Hope she is able to settle down a bit soon!

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    I have probably missed you but honestly, given ALL this poor thing is contending with, and the general turmoil I would probably ask for either some Tramadol or something that would subdue her pain and chill her out SERIOUSLY.

    Frankly Calms and Rescue Remedy just aren't going to cut it with a dog in this MUCH pain.  It's just plain not kind to make her go thru all this, not to mention what it's doing to your home and dogs as well.

    SOMETIMES it's just best to let them sleep ... this dog is in serious pain -- between the mouth issues and foot, she is hurting and she's scared and often pain makes that all so much worse.  Keeping her somewhat sedated will essentially show her that she doesn't have to be afraid.  Bless her -- all that and heat too -- so he emotions are all over the place.  Poor baby -- honestly sometimes you just have to "avoid" the whole thing. 

    you guys know I'm always the first to use the natural or the herbal ... but there are times when you just plain need something pharmaceutical to help alleviate pain and stress.  I'm hoping that if you miss this that the vet will suggest it. 

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    I hope the vet can give you something to help her.  Sending healing thoughts/vibes for her and 'keep-your-sanity' vibes for you.  Probably if the vet treats her and gives her something to be more comfortable that will make things at home easier.  Good luck to you!

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    Sorry to ask this, but what is SA?

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    as far as I know, it's separation anxiety

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    Yea, I'm pretty sure that's it.

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     What you're doing is fantastic!!! It must be so overwhelming for all of you, but hang in there - you're an angel for rescuing her like this!!

     

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     Callie, that's exactly what I was thinking but I know nothing about pain or sedative meds, so thanks for chiming in with that info!

    One small caveat for anyone wanting to sedate a fearful/stressed dog - NEVER USE ACE (acepromazine).  Ace is often prescribed by vets for dogs that are fear aggressive or overly stressed for vet appointments and travel (and sometimes thunderstorms) but it has *no* antianxiety capabilities, it pretty much just paralyzes the dog so they can't react to their fear vs. abating it.  Often you will end up with a dog that gets worse after Ace because of the awful experience. :(  There are a number of better drugs available for use to actually address the anxiety while making the animal easier to handle.