Garlic & Raw Egg ok for Dogs?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Garlic & Raw Egg ok for Dogs?

    I started my dog on a raw diet recently. This is what I am feeding: Ground beef/deer/or turkey, brown rice, pureed carrots, kelp flakes(just a pinch), salmon oil, bone meal, raw egg, garlic(about 1 clove), plain yogurt.

    When I started considering this diet, I read in several places that raw egg and garlic were ok- but now I'm hearing conflicting information. A lot of premium dog food brands seem to have garlic in them as well... but then again I did see a food with avocado in it recently and I'm pretty sure that is bad. Does anyone know the answer? I stopped feeding garlic and raw egg for now, but she did eat it for at least a week.

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    I thought this might be a good option- to just add the raw meat so I won't have to worry about under/over supplementing or feeding the wrong thing.
    Does it seem balanced enough? Thanks.
    • Gold Top Dog
    A good place I am learning from is the yahoo group k9nutrition.
     
    A raw egg is fine.  Wouldn't go more than 1/2 clove (the small section of the garlic) per 20 lbs. a day at most.
     
    I would be feeding mostly meat with no more than 1/4 rice and I would add in veggies well cooked or pulverized and rotate veggies around.
     
    You can check out how much phospourus is in the food at nutritiondata.com.  Please be aware that bone meal also has phosphorus, so you may want to switch to using calcium citrate or dried, crushed (in a new,clean coffee grinder) egg shell at the rate of 1/2 tsp per pound of all food given. ( I think this is the correct amount).  This is a general rule, and can vary greatly by the meat you are giving them - which is why the nutrition site is helpful. 
     
    Rotate veggies (no onions, and no, I wouldn't do avocodo, either.  Avocodos contain a toxin called persin - some people think it is only on the skin and pit and leaves.  Others think it is also in the flesh itself.  I stay away from it.) Also rotate meats.  Beef is good.  Chicken is good as well, although I would wait a few days to see if the poultry farms had feed the tainted grains.
    • Silver
    Your dog is one lucky puppy, lol.  Sounds like almost the same diet as I am feeding my dogs except that I don't believe in bone meal as I have heard negative things about it; in order to provide a good source of calcium go natural like raw bones, raw chicken wings, raw chicken necks or raw chicken carcasses, brisket, etc etc.
    and also feeding raw egg white is best avoided as it contains an enzyme called 'avidin' which destroys biotin in the dog's system so either you feed raw yolk or simply cook the entire egg.
     
    Here is a link that briefly discusses pet food along with the issue of bone meal.
     
    [linkhttp://www.api4animals.org/articles?p=361&more=1]http://www.api4animals.org/articles?p=361&more=1[/link]
    • Silver
    Oh, forgot to mention....garlic imo is not a good idea!  It is related to the onion family so just as you would not feed onion then I would recommend that you steer clear of garlic also. 
     
    Here is a link on this subject:
     
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    • Gold Top Dog
    Raw egg is fine as long as you feed the entire egg. If for some reason you are feeding whites only, they should be cooked. A little garlic is OK, I'm not sure if you meant the whole clove is for the entire week or daily. Also how big is your dog.
     
    I do about one clove per week (spread out over several days) for my dogs. They are between 60 and 80 lbs.
     
    Calcium is essential. I also use the ground eggshell method for my three.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I give Kord a whole raw egg a couple of times of week, we walk outside and he gets it there, in the egg shell. I have never had a problem yet, but he is a bigger dog and usually winds up pulverising the shell anyway
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well,  I forgot to mention it before - but, I do think cooked eggs are better.  I think it does help disable some of the aviden?  Maybe.  Raw won't hurt, but I *think* cooked is better.
     
    But, Truley, I don't think your dog's version of eating the shell counts for the calcium absorbtion - I am sure it would be alot of fun for him. [:D] But, it's not ground up fine enough when he does the pulverizing to make the shell get absorbed.  Of course, you don't need the entire shell at one time anyway, b/c it has so much calcium in it.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks for all of the help- I was really over doing it on the garlic.

    Can I buy eggshell powder? I just don't end up with enough egg shells to make enough for every day.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well,  I forgot to mention it before - but, I do think cooked eggs are better.  I think it does help disable some of the aviden?  Maybe.  Raw won't hurt, but I *think* cooked is better.

    We have been feeding raw eggs daily for years. As stacita said though it must be the WHOLE raw egg.  Raw egg whites contain a glycoprotein called avidin that bind biotin, one of the B vitamins. But as Dr Mercola states on his website:  Egg yolks have one of the highest concentrations of biotin found in nature. So it is likely that you will not have a biotin deficiency if you consume the whole raw egg, yolk and white. It is also clear, however, that if you only consume raw egg whites, you are nearly guaranteed to develop a biotin deficiency unless you take a biotin supplement.
    He also states that cooking the egg (white) will completely deactivate every other protein in it.
    I read also years ago before we started feeding our dogs raw eggs, that if there is to be an allergy to eggs it is not with raw,,only cooked egg.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Here's a little trick I learned:

    When I do up a batch of cooked rice or grain to which I intend to add raw egg, I add the egg while it is still hot. This cooks the white slightly, just enough to neutralize most of the avidin.

    There's lots of resources that are listed here and elsewhere that will increase your confidence in offering your dog a varied and healthy home prepared diet! Good luck!
    • Gold Top Dog
    One thing that we do is vary our veggies and any grain that we feed. A friend and I get together and make a HUGE batch of pureed veggies and freeze it in individual portions. (We cook any hard veggies like carrots and taro root). And while brown rice is good, there's also other grains- this week, we used quinoa, next time when we make mush, we're using brown rice and lentils. I don't use raw eggs at the moment because I no longer have a cheap source of free range eggs at a good price and I'm very uncomfortable feeding factory-farmed eggs, since they frequently sit on the shelf so long. (Eggs have a VERY long shelf life, but.. yeah.) And I usually use a little garlic in the veggie mix, along with ginger (good for the digestion in general) and cilantro (because Mal likes it and kept trying to eat it out of the pot on the patio.)
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh, I think I know where I got that cooking was better..............on the kidney list, alot of people can't give whole eggs b/c of the phosphous content, and can't give alot of meat.  So, they make up for the protein loss by adding egg whites.  But they have to cook it b/c it's only the egg whites.  So, that leads me to think that cooking does disable the avidin...., but I could be wrong.