Obama's Pastor: XXX XXXX America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

FourIsCompany

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's understandable. You can't treat somebody like that for years and years and then act all innocent when they strike back.

And, I don't know about anyone else, but I see a big difference between a person bringing up racism in news coverage and suggesting that the US may have some responsibility for the way other countries feel about us (which is an opinion many people hold) and another saying that we need to make a preemptive strike that will bring on Armageddon... In my mind, there's a huge and important difference.

You put it much more eloquently than I could have.  Thanks for that! 

rwbeagles

*yawn*

I'll double this yawn ... even triple it.  These articles are the same kind of crap my BIL e-mails me on a daily basis.  I just  delete it.

Joyce

 I find it interesting that people do not seem to want to know these things. After all we are talking about the next president of the United States and in my mind it is important to understand where they are coming from and what their intentions are, after all I sure do not trust that just because they say something it is true.

  If McCain truly believes that we need to wipe out Islam then I want to know that, just like I want to know if Obama has a secret hatred for whitie.  I despise the radical muslims who seek to harm us, but not all of Islam that is a huge difference, and I despise racisim and think that everyone should be judged on the basis of what they do in life and not their color, but there is a huge difference between wiping out racisim and reverseing it.  

 It just amazes me that none of this seems to matter to people.

Oh wow...as if I needed another reason to dislike Obama...that man (Obama) is scary. So is the pastor obviously. But if Obama becomes the next president...Mexico isn't sounding so bad.

And as far as news coverage and who gets the attention, I am kind of tired of the race card being played 24/7. Yes, there must be racism in journalism and the media - there is sexism, ageism, etc. too. But there is racism against every ethnicity...affirmative action, for example. An obvious (to me at least) form of racism against white people. This doesn't make it okay, but it's the truth. And when people play the race card, I feel as if they are sidestepping the issue of the person who is actually missing. Why turn a situation like Natalee Holloway's disappearance around and make it something it isn't? I tend to think more about the actual person than their race, but to each their own!

dgriego

I want to know if Obama has a secret hatred for whitie.

Hmm you'd know that how tho? Media?

I find your point interesting but I also find it rather an unanswerable quandry because....if you stood in front of JFK, and asked him if he was a closet womanizer, and asked him if he cheated on his wife...he'd probably have said no.

As you are someone who has said they think all politicians lie (here's me not disagreeing)...

Short of asking him yourself...your sources available are...people who dislike him ranging from a wee bit...to so intensely they might like to harm him physically, and would like him not to be president...and those that like him, ranging from a mild interest to a slavish devotion, and want him to be. Hmm...yyyeah.

IMO I would LOVE to know...and if I ever get the chance to meet Obama I will ask him. But until I speak to him and know him as a person...guess what? I am going to be fine thinking he doesn't hate white people...and as a result...himself.

dgriego

  

 It just amazes me that none of this seems to matter to people.

I think it matters.  It's just that  there's so dang much totally crazy stuff going around.  For example, my slightly nutty BIL sent me an e-mail this a.m. from someone trying to use a quote from the bible - something about "a charismatic man coming from the east, attracting many followers" to prove that Obama is actually the Anti-Christ. Come on already.  When I was in the 10th. grade a totally irate (and also slightly crazy) nun called me  that.  Moi! Can you believe that? And all I was doing was expounding on my own theories of how, if you're going to believe the ten commandments exactly as written, you would have to conclude that sex before marriage isn't a sin after all.

Joyce

WOW...scary stuff Joyce....he's got some folks all in a tither...

and off their rocker...

tho most of what I read (not meaning here BTW) tells me those folks were kinda hanging one butt cheek off their rockers already...LOL.

rwbeagles

tho most of what I read (not meaning here BTW) tells me those folks were kinda hanging one butt cheek off their rockers already...LOL.

I'm thinking for a lot of  them, both butt cheeks have been on the floor for quite awhile.

Joyce

Obama is going to address the subject of this thread on Keith Olbermann tonight (starts in about  20 minutes here). Perhaps not the Natalee Halloway thing, but something about his pastor.

Thanks for the heads up. I read his blog on the subject already.

rwbeagles

Short of asking him yourself...your sources available are...people who dislike him ranging from a wee bit...to so intensely they might like to harm him physically, and would like him not to be president...and those that like him, ranging from a mild interest to a slavish devotion, and want him to be. Hmm...yyyeah.

another source is the pastor who's teaching he has sat under for the past 20 years.

Men of this kind who "claim" to follow Christ repulse me. 

It disgusts me that someone who would call themselves a Christian leader would further a family's pain by shamelessly using their MISSING and likely MURDERED CHILD in order to prove a political point--would decide that the slaughter of thousands of INNOCENT people of any race, in any country is somehow understandable--would make statements like, "He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky"--would deliberately make statements meant to rub salt in racial wounds and thus bring the nation that much further away from peace, not that much closer to it. 

What is even worse is that someone who is trying to be the next president is proud to have this guy as a supporter.  He claims to not agree with much of what he says, but he has spent, what. the last 20 or so years going to that church week in and week out, giving them money, etc.  That is a LONG time to spend listening to a guy that you do not agree with. 

The way I see it, Barack is either too cowardly to leave the church, simply does not care that these statements are made, or is totally OK with his children being raised with these viewpoints.  None of these option sit well for me at least.

Ugh--before I was just not going to vote for him.  Now I am going to be sure to print these articales out and give them to family members who are not sure who they are going to vote for.....  

dgriego

another source is the pastor who's teaching he has sat under for the past 20 years.

dgriego...

He addressed the issue...and I like the way he did so. We can't always control whom we love...and he loves that man as many people love thier pastor or priest or Pope for that matter...tho they may in their hearts have serious differences of opinion with them when it comes to issues of child rearing, or sexual preference, or sexual habits...

I dearly love my Grandma even tho she holds some views that re curl my hair. She's seen things and lived thru things I haven't...they shape her views and her words...and I have to understand that it doesn't have to infect our whole relationship like a virus and I don't have to "disconnect" from her.

You and I in particular, are always going to have vast differences on what we consider acceptable when it comes to "views" on race religion etc. I am actually very happy for those differences. I am glad you know who you are not voting for..as I am glad I know who I am voting for.

I am against racism, I have black friend, red friends, brown friends and yellow friends, my husband is hispanic my kids are therefore half hispanic half white. I have dated black men before my marriage and I am a firm believer in judging people by their actions and not by their color.

FourIsCompany

As regards being to blame for 9/11, the 9/11 attacks were not justified, but they were understandable because of the imperialistic behavior of the United States toward middle eastern countries for over half a century. There is a huge amount of understandable anger on the part of the general population of those countries toward the US. A classic example of this imperialistic behavior was the CIA-sponsored overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddeq, the democratically-elected leader of Iran in the early 50s, because of his plans to nationalize the Iranian petroleum industry. Add to that, our propensity to prop up and support extremely oppressive regimes so we can get oil for cheap and our meddling in "free" elections, it is to me and many, not a huge surprise that somebody would get angry enough to do something serious enough to take the US down a notch. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's understandable. You can't treat somebody like that for years and years and then act all innocent when they strike back.

Big thumbs up! Imagine how most Americans would feel if some other country decided to overthrow our democratically elected leader so they'd have easier and cheaper access to our natural resources. Don't think we'd take too kindly to it. There are consequences to our actions, plain and simple. If we're going to treat the rest of the world as ours for the taking we're bound to piss a lot of people off.