Recycle or Burn!!!!

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    Recycle or Burn!!!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/03/10/eavatican110.xml

    Old mortal sins:

    The "sins of yesteryear" - sloth, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, wrath and pride - have a "rather individualistic dimension", he told the Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper.

    New mortal sins:

    Mgr Girotti said genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins.

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     Oopshi!  I did some experimenting in college....Embarrassed

     Seriously though, I think they still fall into the same 7.  Each new one can be covered by one or more of the old ones.  Greed and sloth cover most of them.
     

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    dgriego
    becoming obscenely wealthy

     

    our state lottery is up to 230 million this week and I was planning on buying a ticket. If I win does this mean I am going to hell?

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    Thinking  back to my 12 fun-filled Tongue Tied years of Catholic school, I'm trying to remember what the nuns said about God's thoughts on wealth,  pollution and recycling plastic bags and I'm drawing a  blank. Somewhere in Rome there's a group of borderline senile old men who need a hobby.

    Joyce

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    isn't the Church itself...quite well off financially? That one puzzled me. But yes the other stuff seems to be based on pre existing sins.

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    rwbeagles

    isn't the Church itself...quite well off financially?

    I guess it would depend on how much they had to pay out in law suits for all the altar boy incidents.

    Joyce

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    fuzzy_dogs_mom
    Thinking  back to my 12 fun-filled Tongue Tied years of Catholic school, I'm trying to remember what the nuns said about God's thoughts on wealth,  pollution and recycling plastic bags and I'm drawing a  blank.

    You really must have not listened all those years in school.  I remember clearly about the evils of the pursuit of money just to have more and the temptation of the lure of money becoming a religion in and of itself.  It's called greed!!!  I also remember that if you got caught throwing a piece of paper on the ground that would earn you a week of picking up trash on the school grounds.

    Tell me are we going to going to turn this into another cheap shot thread at the Catholic religion or  really discuss that they meant about the sins that they were talking about.  What was stated in the article from the Vatican has been part of the teachings for years, not some new fangled concept just updated to todays world.

     

     

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    timsdat

    You really must have not listened all those years in school.  I remember clearly about the evils of the pursuit of money just to have more and the temptation of the lure of money becoming a religion in and of itself.  It's called greed!!! 

    Some things I listened to ... others I just considered too nuts to bother with.  When I see the Vatican donating its vast stores of wealth to third world countries, I just might listen to their opinion on  wealth.  Until then, I'll think for myself, thank you.

    Joyce

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    timsdat
    Tell me are we going to going to turn this into another cheap shot thread at the Catholic religion or  really discuss that they meant about the sins that they were talking about.  What was stated in the article from the Vatican has been part of the teachings for years, not some new fangled concept just updated to todays world.

     

     As the Op it was not my intention to take cheap shots at Catholics or the church although I will confess that I did find the name of the topic interesting and the sins listed as not well defined and open to a lot of interpetation. I found the new list to be rather silly.

     Everyone pollutes the earth, even the greenest amoung us pollute the earth so what level of pollution is acceptable? If I recyle cans and plastic bottles but not glass is that sin? If I recycle and never litter and ride a bike to work but I consume electicity above all my neighbors is that sin? How does one define what is okay and what is sending me to hell (as the news article says)?

     As for wealth there are many that have a lot of it and do a lot with it. Gates is one who comes to mind, he donates a ton of money to charity and is even leaving the bulk of his wealth to charity but he is for sure "obscenely wealthy". And if you compare him with someone who makes 50k a year who is selfish and never gives anything to anyone and hoards all for themselves, scoffs at the poor and makes rude comments to homeless people which one is the worst?

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    fuzzy_dogs_mom
    When I see the Vatican donating its vast stores of wealth to third world countries,

    Most of the vast wealth you are talking about is in the form of historical opjects.  Do you think that they should hang a yard sale sign out?  I guess you are not aware of all the programs that church funds in third world countries and have been doing for much longer than anyone else. 

    I'm wondering how much of your vast fortune you have given away.  After all you would be considered rich in other parts of the world.

     

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    does the tithing thing trickle up to the Vatican or does it stay local? Not being Catholic I am not sure...if Churches have to give back to the Vatican itself they're doubtless doing quite well.

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    dgriego
    As the Op it was not my intention to take cheap shots at Catholics

    I didn't think that YOU were.  But there are people that will use anything to bash a religion that they don't agree with.

    But the article was very shallow in what they were saying.  These issues are not black and white issues.  There is no simple yes or no. 

    You site polution.  Well what is the definition of polution.  Now a days of you release carbon dioxide you are poluting. Well better stop breathing.  But of the collective you are are dumping waste water into the envorinment with trying to clean it up or minize it's impact that is getting more along the lines of what they are talking about.

    As to wealth and money.  If a person believe that their reason for existance is the accumulation of that money then they are wasting what God intended your life to be as I stated above.

     

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    rwbeagles

    does the tithing thing trickle up to the Vatican or does it stay local? Not being Catholic I am not sure...if Churches have to give back to the Vatican itself they're doubtless doing quite well.

    I've always suspected that there's a lot more that trickles "up" to the Vatican than ever trickles "down." Just the art there alone could probably support a few countries.

    Joyce

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    Most of those "sins" aren't exactly newsflashes to any of us with a good Catholic education.

    If caring about the less fortunate and wanting to protect the environment makes me "borderline senile" then call me senile!

    Here is a quotation from a truly "senile" fellow,  Archbishop Oscar Romero:

    Many would like the poor to keep on saying that it is God’s

    will for them to live that way. But it is not God’s will for

    some to have everything and others to have nothing. That

    cannot be of God. God’s will is that all his children be

    happy.

    September 10, 1978

    I will not tire of declaring that if we really want an

    effective end to violence we must remove the violence

    that lies at the root of all violence: structural

    violence, social injustice, exclusion of citizens from

    the management of the country, repression. All this

    is what constitutes the primal cause, from which the

    rest flows naturally.

    September 23, 1979.

     

    What good are beautiful highways and airports,

    beautiful buildings full of spacious apartments, if they

    are only put together with the blood of the poor, who

    are not going to enjoy them?

    July 15, 1979

     

    But how can you tell if he really MEANT all of that stuff??? HE DIED BECAUSE HE SAID IT. He was executed in ElSalavador while saying Mass.  So I guess you can call him "senile" but you can't call him old...

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    dgriego
    New mortal sins:

     

     

    Strange, I thought the "Good Book" only mentioned 10 of them.