deaf dog...

    • Gold Top Dog

    deaf dog...

    I have always wanted to help out a deaf dog by giving it a loving home. I have always wanted a bull terrier and found one in a rescue up in Chicago. I'm not ready for another dog yet, but will be sometime in the summer or fall. He probably wont be in need of a home by then but just thought I would ask what are some disadvantages and advantages of have a deaf dog?

    His name is peter he is a cutie :]

    http://www.fortdearbornbtc.org/available.htm

    • Gold Top Dog

    My Buster went deaf about a two years ago and things changed drastically for us.  I had never trained him with hand signals, so that I know was a big mistake.  But in the last 2 years he has learned a lot of hand signals like come, sit, wait, up, etc.  We worked on these and he caught on very fast.  Body language and hand signals are very important, as is teaching them to focus on you.  I haven't been too successful with that, but Buster, at his age, is rarely in a situation where he could get himself into trouble (always on leash, good behavior in the house).  I sometimes use flashing the porch light to get him to come inside and stomping on the floor to get him to look at me, or even waving my arms will get his attention.

    You may also notice that deaf dogs will sleep more deeply.  Buster often doesn't know that I am home from work until I wake him up, or if one of the other dogs tips him off.

    That's really all the info I have, but I'm sure someone else will be along to offer more! 

    BTW Peter is a cutie!   

    • Gold Top Dog

    Deaf dogs kind of come in three types (I'm not being sarcastic -- I'm being serious here).

     1. Like Peter, an 'albino' dog (all white) is typically born deaf.  All dogs are born deaf (yep, it's true) -- just like they are born blind (which is why the eyes don't open for a couple of weeks).  It is the color pigment cells in the ears that help the neural transmitters for hearing mature -- and if the dog is all white (or predominantly white) on one or both sides of the head the ear on that side of the head may never develop hearing.

    A dog that is born deaf has no frame of reference for words.  So you have to train them with signs and you take advantage of that inate dog thing that 'notices' and picks up on dog body language as communication (ears, eyes, tail, body tension, etc.) -- and you build on that. 

    THEY DO BETTER WITH OTHER DOGS.  They realize they are different -- truly they do.  And another dog will often become their 'ears'.  BUT if you train them, they excel at anything scent oriented.  It can be difficult to tell when a dog IS deaf because they become so adept at reading scent -- you may walk into a room and they'll turn to you simply because they SMELLED you coming.  A squeaky toy may absorb them simply because they sense the puffs of air when it squeaks - not that they 'hear' it.

    However -- breed groups have been slow to embrace placement of such dogs because they DO startle easily and can wake "on guard" expecting danger.  So you have to be VERY careful about **how** you wake them up so they don't get scared.

    Because I've read so extensively on deaf dogs I know all this, and because I've had the other two types I understand it.  I've not a lot of perosnal experience with dogs *born* deaf.  But I wouldn't be afraid of one ... not in the slightest.  But it's a LOT of socialization and a TON of training.

    2.  An animal who is elderly and has "lost" its hearing -- this dog has a frame of reference with sound -- it's a sense they "Lost" rather than a sense they never had.  So it's far more difficult for them in a way.

    I always teach ALL my dogs some sign as well as all verbal cues-- from the instant they enter my house.  It's far easier when they age and go deaf (OR blind). 

    I'm going to say that an aged dog that loses a sense can be more fearful and it takes training to counter that.  The tips and tricks I'll type at the end of this are helpful for all dogs, but I think the aged dog needs the most support emotionally -- they can LEARN to function with out that sense -- but you have to teach them and show them that you'll help them replace that sense with other "input".

    3.  The third category is one most folks don't think of -- a dog who becomes "suddenly" deaf -- thru an accident or surgery.  We had a cocker who had 'bad' ears his whole life with us but because of a series of bad vets, horrible allergies and an undiagnosed deep bacterial infection ultimately after we'd had him 3 years (and he was 5 then) he had to have bi-lateral ear ablations on both ears which literally removes the entire ear (inner, middle and outer) leaving just the ear 'flap'  -- he looked like he was from FAO Schwartz -- lift up the flap of his ear and nothing 'there'.  Just skin. 

    But it was fun -- I'd do it again in a heartbeat.  Because he had a frame of reference for language and 'words' -- once he acclimated he LOVED sign.  He learned about 75 human sign language signs.  He lip read (oh yeah he sure did!!).  And ... if he didn't particularly WANT to do what you were telling him to do, he was particularly adept at looking at the ceiling and finding it extremely *interesting* ("Hmmm, I'm a poor little deaf dog and I think she's talking to me but gosh, I can't HEAR her ... nice ceiling ... wow ... nice clouds ... hope she's done soon cos I really don't WANT to 'come' now!!";)

    He was smart, he was the BEST therapy dog ever ... LOVED deaf kids (cos they knew his 'language';), and well, it was one cocker who loved kids ...  period. 

    AFTER the ear removal he became insatiable -- he wanted to know 'the sign' for EVERYTHING.  It was cute -- he took an almost perverse delight in knowing something the other dogs didn't know.  Like the ASL (American sign language) sign for "dinner" is the same as "food" or "supper" or "eat".  So when I'd call them for breakfast or dinner and I'd use the 'words' "Come Eat!" I'd use the sign for "come + food"

    But then when David and I would go out to dinner at a restaurant, when I put them in their crates I'd tell them we'd be back, just going out for dinner -- which became the signs for "back + soon
     and "mom+dad + go + food".

    Yep -- nailed!!  He'd look at me like "Hmmmm, soooooooooo Mom -- is there going to be a white box in OUR future??? Leftovers????"  And the others hadn't figured out "going out to dinner" was necessarily the same as them eating.

    TIPS and TRICKS:

    Scents -- I would work with ANY deaf dog on scents (and "tracking" is ideal for them).  But you can use essential oils to a great advantage with them -- an aged dog who has always loved to chase a ball but who is too blind to 'see' or can't hear it 'drop'?  Put a drop of peppermint oil on HIS toys ... and he can find it when you toss it. 

    You wake up a deaf dog more by scent than touch ... waving you hand gently on front of their face so they catch your scent can help and you touch them gently petting them to wake them up rather than anything sudden. 

    Touch and vibration -- you can easily train a deaf dog to 'come' from several rooms away by tapping a broomstick on the floor and teaching him to 'come' that way.  You have to be consistent -- a certain number of taps or a certain specific 'cadence' can develop meaning (kind of like Morse code in a way)

    They can learn to know you are coming (and WHO is coming) simply by the feeling of their steps via vibration. 

    Companionship -- deaf dogs pretty much always do 'better' with other dogs.  They can develop quite a complicated give/take from each other.  Muffin relied on Foxy to really 'hear' something BUT Foxy (and **all** the dogs in my house) always deferred to Muffin as the 'watch dog' -- why?  Because the 'deaf dog' had such an incredibly well-developed sense of smell that he was NEVER EVER wrong. 

    One day he was in the living room and suddenly barked and ran to the bedroom.  He came back to the living room and 'got' us -- there was something we needed to KNOW in the bedroom.  It was night -- he got us to the bedroom and barked one loud WOOF at the window. 

    So my husband went out with a flashlight to 'find' the intruder -- found nothing.  But Muffin was still in a "sit" staring intently at the window.  After David made sure there was nothing awful out there (and Muffin wasn't acting like "intruder alert" -- it was quite puzzling -- it was as if he was just TELLING US something he thot we'd want to know?? hmmm) -- finally we turned on the lights and ....

    RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE WINDOW ... was a *tree frog*!!! 

    He sure as heck didn't 'hear' it -- but he DID smell it apparently.  He knew it wasn't 'dangerous' -- but thot we oughta know apparently.  But it truly drove home to us how incredibly sensitive their noses can be.

    With a deaf dog you always train to build their confidence and to build that communication link between you and the dog and between that dog and the other dogs in the home.  You really have to remember they 'think' a bit differently ... and if it's a dog deaf since birth, you have to remember they don't understand 'words' at all.  It's all verbal cues. 

    You also have to remember A LOT -- particularly when out in public -- that other dogs won't know *your* dog can't hear.  So that low rumble of warning a dog might give to 'warn' another dog?  YOUR dog won't hear that and is at risk.

    A deaf dog is NEVER EVER **not even once** off leash in unknown unsecured area.  They can't hear traffic.  They can't hear a predator ... and they can't hear you. 

    This isn't meant to discourage you ... not at all.  I'd do another deaf dog in a heartbeat.  I'd do a deaf-from-birth dog too -- it's just never happened for us yet.

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    My doxie has been blind and deaf since birth.  His one eye is missing and the other he only sees shadows.  He is now 7 and is a hoot!  I would never shy away from a deaf or blind dog.  Sure, training tactics change but once you get it down, it's the same as with a "normal" pup.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    The biggest problem and question I have is how would I train them to come in the house from being outside when they cant hear us calling, whistling, and clapping? Or do you thing the dog would just follow the others when they come in from outside? We have a pretty big backyard probably a little more than half an acre. And also do you think you could do agility with them, if they cant do it it isnt a problem it is just something I do for fun with our dogs now. :]

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Until you have recall 100% you don't let them run (nope -- long long leash and lots of training).

    You can use a variety of things -- one of those little press on/off flashlights can work great in place of a "clicker" -- or this is where the vibration collar comes in.

    The vibrating collar isn't punishment - it's not a negative, it's simply an attention getter.  You make it vibrate - the dog looks at you and you reward FAST.  Looking AT you has to become greater and more wonderful-er and more AWESOME than anything in the world. 

    Gradually ... with a long long leash ... you get attention and THEN give a command.  You just make sure they are visual commands and/or vibration (like stomping your foot in the house ONCE means 'come to me' as does curling your fingers or arm one time WITH one stomp may mean 'come to me'.  Be consistent.  No the dog can't 'feel' the vibration of the 'stomp' in the yard, BUT will recognize it as part of a verbal cue. 

    But you keep the dog leashed until that recall -- right in your own yard - is SOLID.  Yes, to a degree they will follow the other dog's lead -- but you can't depend on that.

    The http://www.deafdogs.org website used to have instructions on *making* a vibrational collar as well as tell you where to buy them. 

    I never used one for Muffin because it was too big and bulky for him (they actually have a small motor on the collar - it was heavy).  But I did use a flashlight for him a lot.

    Doing agility?  Sure -- but you'd probably have to use a leash longer than other dogs ... simply til you get the recall steady -- because the dog will get excited just like another dog, but again all I said above about other dogs NOT reading your dog is a big deal. 

    They're physically 'able' -- just need extra training.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Deaf dogs are more difficult than hearing dogs, but that does not make them untrainable. We have one at our shelter right now, only 8 weeks old. They do NOT like to be left alone - and have to be trained to understand that you are coming back. You can stomp on the ground to let them know you are coming. They also make vibrating collars, but they are pretty expensive. I would never let a deaf dog off of a leash, but that's JMO.

    Be careful when selecting a deaf dog - not all do well with other dogs. The pup we have in does NOT. I took her home for one afternoon - and she would not stop aggressing at my other puppy - and there is no way to make her stop, without touching her. I was going to foster her, but after her behavior - I just could not with Polly still here. It would not be fair to either dog.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Oh my, yes, you *do* have to touch them.  You don't have to be harsh, but you would have to restrain and touch to get their attention until you get across the point that **your face** is the best place in the world to look.

    And you do have to allow the other dog to put it in its place ... an "alpha" or dominant deaf dog has a tough time if it won't bond and learn what the other dog can teach it.  But that's where leaving the leash on INSIDE until you have that recall is so important.

    And you have to crate them when you're gone -- even inside there is danger.  Messing around and suddenly the TV above them rocks and crashes on them, or even something small like a radio or toaster or computer part -- where another dog might hear it and scramble out of the way, the deaf dog (particularly a puppy who hasn't learned yet how dangerous the world can be) won't know the danger.

    REMEMBER -- ***all dogs*** are born deaf and blind.  So this pup is only a few weeks older than that and if it's been solitary without ample socialization it may not have figured out that it NEEDS another dog.  It may not realize how different it is yet.