Republican/Conservative Corner

I don't think its fair to double dip and tax high on property you all ready own, etc etc

may not be fair but that is how the system works. i dont see our government (here locally) giving up the tax revenue they make off of our house or our cars any time soon. matter of fact we have lived in our house for 3 years and have been reassessed (meaning increased) on our property tax each year. i had to pay (just this month) $150 or so in ad velorem tax on my car ... my 14 yr old ecomony, high mileage car. 

sometimes i think our country would be better off if people worried less about themselves and more about the country as a whole. right there in the preamble to the constitution it starts off "We the people...". things may seem unfair to me because i cant afford a plasma tv, but at least i have a roof over my head and food to eat each day. those high taxes do help provide for those less fortunate. would you want to tell a mother you wouldnt give her a few bucks to feed her starving kid because you needed it to buy a new ipod? i certainly couldnt. 

I also think that Bradley. I do think that IF there were NO taxes on any paycheck...ever. VERY FEW PEOPLE would donate t charities...they'd keep it all and spend it all on themselves. I honestly think that. Even the Church knows that....hence the tithe/collection plate....if you don't guilt or scare people into helping others...they likely would not help at all.

Now is it beholden on the haves to help the have nots at all? Whole nuther fishkettle for sure. A kettle I won't pop the lid off of.

What exactly is a "moderate?"  What does a "moderate" believe in, politically?  I can pretty much describe a conservative.  I can pretty much describe a liberal.  I cannot describe a moderate.  Can you?

if jerry falwell and jane fonda had a baby, it would be a moderate.  

cyclefiend2000

may not be fair but that is how the system works. i dont see our government (here locally) giving up the tax revenue they make off of our house or our cars any time soon...

... sometimes i think our country would be better off if people worried less about themselves and more about the country as a whole. right there in the preamble to the constitution it starts off "We the people..." 

I don't see it changing anytime soon either but what I WOULD like is to own a house and have a family. Is that too much to ask for? I'd love to have my OWN roof over my head and raise children but... we can't afford a house and can barely afford ourselves. When it gets to THIS point... of course I'm going to "complain." Not just for myself but I know many people in these situations.

NO ONE should have to STRUGGLE. Like our minimum wage here in MA is $8/hr... you couldn't survive if you only made that here... it's not fair to EVERYONE as a whole.

rwbeagles

I do think that IF there were NO taxes on any paycheck...ever. VERY FEW PEOPLE would donate t charities...they'd keep it all and spend it all on themselves.

Very very good point... my boyfriend for example would go buy some flashy car & a bigger TV.

Maybe that's just it... maybe we can't be trusted with our own money???

Know what though... here's the flip side to it. Maybe since we are so used to NOT having money that when we finally do "of course" we go spend it on "ourselves". Maybe if the world was used to living more comfortably and less hungry for cash we WOULD give??????

Pomeranian <3

Maybe that's just it... maybe we can't be trusted with our own money???

well I am sure that's what Big Gov't thinks.

To an extent it's what I think too. Maybe another time, another place it wouldn't be true. But NOW...when everyone has a cell phone and "needs" it...a laptop and "needs" that...and SUV and "needs" that...I honestly don't know that the idea is far off from the truth.

As a self admitted sheep, I can only say that I do not really trust that enough of the American people would voluntarily donate enough to help groups of folks that use some of the assistance programs. And that wouldn't be good for our country...IMO.

rwbeagles

Maybe another time, another place it wouldn't be true. But NOW...when everyone has a cell phone and "needs" it...a laptop and "needs" that...and SUV and "needs" that...I honestly don't know that the idea is far off from the truth.

I deff agree with you... you are totally right IMO as well. And as always for those that wouldn't abuse the privilage we get the poop end of the stick...

After officially "growing up" and being an adult and living on my own the most important thing I learn and thing that has changed about me are my views on "material" things. If I could get reimbursed for every "toy" I own I would, just to have money in the bank and hope for a future family. My boyfriend on the other hand says "I always ask myself if I'd be happier with more money in the bank and less of my stuff... or more stuff and more debt... yeah I think more stuff more debt" <~ you should have seen my face....

 FWIW: it sounds like you are just getting started in life. things have never come easily for me or anyone i know. we have a house now, but i lived in apartments up until 3 years ago. the best advice i can give is cut expenditures where you can and save save save. that is the only way i have ever known people to be able to get ahead legitimately.

cyclefiend2000

if jerry falwell and jane fonda had a baby, it would be a moderate.  

LMAO.  Thank you, Bradley.  Kind of a disgusting thought tho,

 i think when talking about politicians (regardless of affiliation), this statement applies to all (thank you mr. churchill)....

There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst of it is half of them are true.--Winston Churchill

Pomeranian <3

Just to put things into perspective without trying to purposely give away my personal life information... our combined family income is $76,000... and we can't afford a house...

Now lets look at another example. One of my families that live in Florida have combined family income of $82,000 and they live extremely comfortably...

You have to remember that you are how old and at what point in your career.  At your age I couldn't afford a house either.  You know you just don't start at the top of the income ladder for your job when you start.  You also have to look at the income potential for the job you are doing.  Not all job are or should they pay the same.

Of course you have chosen to live in one of the more expensive parts of the country.  Funny how liberal and expensive go together.  Well you will make more as the salary range will be higher but the cost of living will be higher also. 

If you want to own a house someday I suggest that you start saving now for a down payment.  You will get there it just will take time.

rwbeagles

Pomeranian <3

Maybe that's just it... maybe we can't be trusted with our own money???

 

well I am sure that's what Big Gov't thinks.

To an extent it's what I think too. Maybe another time, another place it wouldn't be true. But NOW...when everyone has a cell phone and "needs" it...a laptop and "needs" that...and SUV and "needs" that...I honestly don't know that the idea is far off from the truth.

Problem is that when you start thinking about that is when this government turns to become a socialist or communist state.  I for one don't want to ever see that happen, though we have been moving that way for years. 

I for one don't understand what happened to spending discipline.  Look at your parents, grandparents, or on some peoples cases great-grand parents.  They lived thru the depression and understand that you can't just spend it all.  Maybe we need another period like that to remind people that they have to take care of themselves.

I for one live well below my means and save about 30% of of my income each year.  It is set up in such a way that I never see the money so I'm not tempted to spend it.  Heck if I can can do it most other people can save something.

You are right timsdat it will take time... uphill battle. I'd love to save even 1% of my income? It's so hard with the amount of debt & expensive I have. Rent, Utilities, Car, Car Insurance, College Loan, Medical Bill Debt from Surgery this summer, and of course the good old lovely credit card debt thanks to my immature years in college.... Once the "debt" is gone I know I'd feel capable of living within my means.

You are right about picking to live in the expensive part of the country. I have been constantly doing the math in my head trying to figure out if I would be "better off" some place cheaper.

timsdat

Problem is that when you start thinking about that is when this government turns to become a socialist or communist state.  I for one don't want to ever see that happen, though we have been moving that way for years. 

I for one don't understand what happened to spending discipline.  Look at your parents, grandparents, or on some peoples cases great-grand parents.  They lived thru the depression and understand that you can't just spend it all.  Maybe we need another period like that to remind people that they have to take care of themselves.

This is an awesome quote... very true. I don't like suffering from the fact others seem to need BMWs & Plasma TVs. I SHOULD have listened to my parents & grandparents when I was in college loading up my credit card with "stuff"

To what extent can we "stand up to" the government financially?

Look at all the amazing rights and bills we HAVE passed. It took numbers and dedication and I wonder if everyone really made a big fuss about the economy and fiscal responsibility if something would happen??? Or am I dreaming? :o( haha

probe1957

>>what if you are more of a moderate <<

What exactly is a "moderate?"  What does a "moderate" believe in, politically?  I can pretty much describe a conservative.  I can pretty much describe a liberal.  I cannot describe a moderate.  Can you?

>>What if you vote for the candidate and not the party?    <<

If you vote for the candidate and not the party, IMO, you don't understand how politics works.  Politics, you see, is a game of numbers.  We are not a dictatorship here.  Individuals, even the President of the United States, have little power.  They must seek a consensus.  Clearly, that is easiest to do within one's own political party.

You see, I consider myself most closely aligned with the Libetarian party.  But a libertarian isn't electable, nationally.  So, I have to look at THE PARTY that is electable and most closely represents my views.  When I do that, I vote republican.