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Fuming over elitist, nasty reaction to AKC mixed-breed survey--what do you think?

Posted : 2/25/2007 2:57:04 PM

[sm=evilfire.gif]I am absolutely boiling over a vile blog I just read about the AKC survey about allowing mixed-breed dogs to compete. Has anyone else encountered any garbage like this???

The blogger ranted and raved that she couldn't believe that the AKC might allow a mix to compete in the same ring as her precious purebred dog. Angry

The title of the blog is : What the Hell is the AKC thinking?

Quote begins:
A "goldendoodle" competing in the same ring as MY purebred, Championed Golden Retriever???????
No, AKC, I don't think so!!!!
Oh Lord, please tell me I am dreaming and that this is a nightmare!
It certainly IS a nightmare, if the AKC is EVEN considering allowing
mixed breeds to compete in the same events I have shown my dogs in for
many years!!
Quote ends

Here is the whole rant:

[linkhttp://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-P5QvcCkydLN16mW3oA9ptgRWwdKsz6BYtyI9?p=95]http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-P5QvcCkydLN16mW3oA9ptgRWwdKsz6BYtyI9?p=95[/link]

It made me so sick and angry to see this kind of reaction. Crying

Like a mix is garbage because it doesn't have papers. My old mix was fantastic and I am very angry at the thought that someone would turn their nose up at him because he was a mix. A puppy mill dog could be in the same ring with her dog---did she think of that?

If someone had said yesterday that they would not want to compete with a mixed-breed dog at an AKC event because of snobbery I would have tried to convince them otherwise----a dog is a dog is a dog. Why not let them have fun competing together no matter what their lineage?

Now I have seen the ugly snobbery that people complain about and I am disgusted.

[sm=banghead002.gif]Does this attitude make anyone else crazy or is it just me???

polarexpress

Posted : 2/25/2007 3:03:28 PM

PS
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I just read through more of the blog and I don't think her dog IS a breed champion---she says it only showed a couple of times which wouldn't have given the dog enough points. One breed win does not a CH make.

Plus, she says the dog is an OTCH3 (huh?) and a UDX 30 (which means the dog would have had to double qualify in 300 different events) and a VCD4 (has there been one yet?) at the age of 3.

see here:
[linkhttp://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-P5QvcCkydLN16mW3oA9ptgRWwdKsz6BYtyI9?p=3]http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-P5QvcCkydLN16mW3oA9ptgRWwdKsz6BYtyI9?p=3[/link]

What the ??????

Stacita

Posted : 2/25/2007 3:32:28 PM

This is the survey she was referring to. Apparently the AKC is considering allowing speutered mixed breed dogs to compete in events, much the same way they allow ILP dogs to compete. If you feel this is a good idea, the best revenge on this elitist is to complete the survey and see that it gets forwarded.

[linkhttp://www.akc.org/mixedbreed_survey/]http://www.akc.org/mixedbreed_survey/[/link]

Bloodhound

Posted : 2/25/2007 3:36:38 PM

She goes on saying that people can be promoted to breed their designer dogs but the AKC Clearly states that any mixed breed entered would have to be spayed and neutered. I wish that these purebred owners would realize that purebred dogs started out as MIXES. That is how dog breeds were created through mixing and selectively breeding animals until they came up with an animal that passed on its traits. I own purebreds and I am all for them but I dont look down on mixies either and i wouldnt turn one away from my door either. The reason these mixies came about because some unresponsible owner with a unfixed purebred let their dog reproduced. I wish people would stop being such snobs

Haleigh

Posted : 2/25/2007 3:38:05 PM

Although she LOVES agility, she tends to love Disc Dogs even more, probably because she defies the odds. This sport has long been dominated by the herding group of dogs, such as the Border Collies and Aussies, but Ginger soars above them, too. She has the top three disc dog efficiency titles, as well as five blue ribbons in the sport. She enjoys running fast and soaring high. But her true love is the catch! Whenever she catches one, which is about 99% of the time, she gets a happy smile and a bigger bounce in her strut. It's true-Miss Ginger has a big ego!!

That is Miss Ginger, almost in a nutshell. There is plenty more I could write about her, because our lives are very fulfilling.

There is NO better dog than she.

Ummm....Lady? WHAT HIT YOU IN THE HEAD! Dog's can't have and E G O!!! Someone needs to crack this lady in the head.

ETA:

I fully support mixed breeds in AKC...I took the survey and supported mixed breeds, except for whethere or not they should be able to do conformation. I think they don't have a stadard, and thats one of the few sports that should be left alone for purebreds.

houndlove

Posted : 2/25/2007 5:20:05 PM

Juuuust a heads up folks, that person is a member here.

I can see the point of not wanting to encourage more "designer" dogs. It's a tough call to make. On the one hand, perhaps this will help more mixed breed shelter dogs get adopted as people see they can compete in AKC performance with them as well. On the other, one of the reasons now to discourage people from getting high priced puppy mill designer dogs is that they can't be AKC registered and compete in performance through AKC.

Though in the end I don't think the designer dog thing is going to be dealt with by taking the "pure bred/mixed breed" route because it is such a slippery thing. I think the best way to deal with it is through education on the issues of overpopulation, puppy mills and backyard breeding.

mudpuppy

Posted : 2/25/2007 6:38:34 PM

I have yet to see a "doodle" at a NADAC or USDAA trial, where all dogs regardless of breed are welcome.

rwbeagles

Posted : 2/25/2007 7:11:38 PM

I'm not quite sure how it's better on your part to call an entire registry, and all the people who use it, "snobbish" based on ONE or even 10 people's blogs...than it is for this person to say the things they've said. Both are assuming a whole lot about a lot of people.

Mixed breed dogs have always had options...for competition etc. IMO, AKC should quit their money grubbing behavior and instead remember who is paying their fees and who decided their registry was needed in the first place--purebred dog fanciers.

They've long since forgotten who they work for...and IMO it's time those that register dogs with them give them a reminder.

Katie M.

Posted : 2/25/2007 7:52:19 PM

Quick hijack

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

I have yet to see a "doodle" at a NADAC or USDAA trial, where all dogs regardless of breed are welcome.

I actually saw my first at a NADAC trial last weekend. Didn't get to see his run though ...

Stacita

Posted : 2/25/2007 7:55:45 PM

Mixed breed dogs have always had options...for competition etc. IMO, AKC should quit their money grubbing behavior and instead remember who is paying their fees and who decided their registry was needed in the first place--purebred dog fanciers

I think the options for mixed breed dogs in some areas of the country are limited and that's why some people have asked the AKC about entering mixed breed dogs under conditions similar to an ILP.

Personally, I'd rather see mixed breed dogs enter AKC events than AKC's tacit approval of

ure bred puppies from puppy mills. That's really money grubbing IMO.

polarexpress

Posted : 2/25/2007 8:12:54 PM

I am sorry if I was unclear---I am NOT calling a whole registry snobbish.

I HAVE an akc registered dog (and I will hopefully post a photo of him soon.)

I have heard people say bad things about AKC purebreds and the people who own them and I have always vehemently denied that pure-bred snobbery exists anymore. I've said that folks who own purebreds don't look down on mixes, they just want a certain type of dog so they went with a purebred. Reading that blog just rocked me back on my heels.

I have since filled in the akc survey and I hope they will listen and open competitions up to mixes---after all they will give a dog an ILP who might be a mix....why not just allow them?

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

I'm not quite sure how it's better on your part to call an entire registry, and all the people who use it, "snobbish" based on ONE or even 10 people's blogs...than it is for this person to say the things they've said. Both are assuming a whole lot about a lot of people.

Mixed breed dogs have always had options...for competition etc. IMO, AKC should quit their money grubbing behavior and instead remember who is paying their fees and who decided their registry was needed in the first place--purebred dog fanciers.

They've long since forgotten who they work for...and IMO it's time those that register dogs with them give them a reminder.

rwbeagles

Posted : 2/25/2007 9:43:35 PM

Oh well there are elitist people in ALL walks of life. Some mIxed breed owner's can be just as misinformed and set in their ways, and look down on inbred psycho health problem ridden purebreds, etc.

There are even snobby people out there who...sit down for this one...don't like dogs AT ALL...no matter what the pedigree or lack thereof lmao.

It takes all kinds to make a world...but I think that's what makes it interesting. Esp on the internet [

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rwbeagles

Posted : 2/25/2007 9:55:59 PM

Stacita I see your point.

But why trust any registry to really be there for the purebred dog when it counts, like countering BSL, etc. if they change their tune at the slightest hint of the possibility of gouging money for entry fees/registrations out of the mixed breed performance set?

You are right, their priorities do need changing.

AKC needs to be focusing on what they were founded to watch over...the integrity of pedigree, and preservation of, the purebred dog. They have been trying to change their mission statement...and AR bent folks have already infiltrated their ranks and thus the backing of the infamous PAWS, Hunte Corps head man is now a member of the club of clubs, etc. getting harder and harder to trust them...and personally...I don't. I don't see why performance mix breed folks would even "want" to associate with them if they don't have too lol.

dasher

Posted : 2/25/2007 10:45:11 PM

Some of my dog friends and I were discussing the survey over dinner the other night. I think that it would be great for the AKC to allow all dogs to compete in companion events.

One of my friends brought up a point I will bring up here and see what you guys think. She said that some of the AKC people opposed to allowing mixed breeds into companion events are concerned that this will encourage people to purposly breed a mix in order to excel at a particular event. Even though the dogs entered would have to be spayed/neutered, people could breed two "purebred" dogs in order to get what they would hope to be a "super" agility dog for example. I know this is already being done with Border Collies and JRT in order to create "border-jacks" for flyball and I am sure agilty. I am sure this is already being done in all the venues that allow all dogs to compete, but I am curious to hear if you all think this would be an issue or not? I guess my friend's point is that how could a person with a GSP for example who was bred to hunt be expected to compete in agility against a dog that has been purposly cross bred to excel in agility?

rwbeagles

Posted : 2/25/2007 10:59:03 PM

I'd assume that's why they

roposed separate classes for the mixed breeds and purebred dogs.

My beef is not at all related to the mixes or the people breeding them on purpose...people STILL use AKC to flog their doodles...if people are dumb enough they will not know the difference anyhow.

My beef is that the AKC is at their core changing who, and what they support in pursuit of $$ and if they abandon/ignore/find lacking, their member base now...then what will they do when the stuff truly hits the fan?