heard of a new "breed" today

ORIGINAL: Lilea
 Yes, exactly, HOPEFULLY.  Like I said, I do not know the man who bred them so how can I assume to know if he is responsible or not, so obviously I HOPE he is.

you can assume your breeder is not responsible because he breed for mixed breeds and he sold the pups to a et store where who knows what type of home they went too.

 

Not true, my mind is completely open.  Is yours? 

My eyes were opened many years ago to the irresponsiblity of byb's

People like me?  What am I like exactly?  I think you are being a bit too judgemental, you obviously don't know how I feel about this at all and are misinterpretting my posts or just filling in whatever you dont understand with negatives.

 
 
Yes, you posted that it was ok to breed mixed breed dogs... that is what you stated so that ost was not showing how you felt? your post #9 on this thread

I don't see the problem with intentionally breeding a mixed dog.  [/quote/]
So what am I misinterperting?  
 

I visit my local kill shelter on regular basis, but I don't know why you think I'm pro everyone and her sister breeding all the dogs they pump out.  I never said that.  Don't know why you are being so negative and assuming the worst.

 
Because again as stated in your reply in post #9 you think it is ok to breed a mixed breed dog intentionally. A responsible breeder does not intentionally breed a mixed or poorly bred dog ever! 
 
As I stated before IMO you have dug in your heels and you are not about to have your mind changed.   I love mixed breeds as much as anyone.  They are not for me personally as I want to know what I am  most likely to expect out of my breed. I did my research and found the breeds that are best fitted to my lifestyle.
 
 I do not support anyone who breeds mixed or purebred dogs for the wrong reason. 

ORIGINAL: heidandseek

ORIGINAL: Lilea
Yes, exactly, HOPEFULLY.  Like I said, I do not know the man who bred them so how can I assume to know if he is responsible or not, so obviously I HOPE he is.

you can assume your breeder is not responsible because he breed for mixed breeds and he sold the pups to a et store where who knows what type of home they went too.

Like I have already stated the owner of the pet store owned the dog that gave birth to the dog I now have.  You are not thoroughly reading my posts either that or you are just hearing what you want to hear.  I am not so judgemental that I am going to assume he is an irresponsible breeder without ever meeting him or knowing anything at all about him.  That would be plain wrong.

Not true, my mind is completely open.  Is yours? 

My eyes were opened many years ago to the irresponsiblity of byb's

People like me?  What am I like exactly?  I think you are being a bit too judgemental, you obviously don't know how I feel about this at all and are misinterpretting my posts or just filling in whatever you dont understand with negatives.

 

Yes, you posted that it was ok to breed mixed breed dogs... that is what you stated so that ost was not showing how you felt? your post #9 on this thread

I don't see the problem with intentionally breeding a mixed dog. 
So what am I misinterperting?

You are assuming that I think everyone in the world should be a byb and that I approve of every byb out there pumping out as much puppies as possible.  That is not the case at all.  

I visit my local kill shelter on regular basis, but I don't know why you think I'm pro everyone and her sister breeding all the dogs they pump out.  I never said that.  Don't know why you are being so negative and assuming the worst.

Because again as stated in your reply in post #9 you think it is ok to breed a mixed breed dog intentionally.

And how exactly does that translate to "I think everyone on earth should be a byb and breed as many dogs as ossible"??

As I stated before IMO you have dug in your heels and you are not about to have your mind changed.

First of all you have no idea where my mind stands on the matter anyway.
Secondly it sounds like your heels are pretty dug in and you are not about to have your mind changed.  Does that make you wrong?  hmmmmm.  
Thirdly,  you can't tell me how I feel about something so please don't.
 

I do not support anyone who breeds mixed or purebred dogs for the wrong reason. 

Neither do I.

ORIGINAL: meilani

 

And like I said we do not have an abundance of little dogs here.  I searched and searched for three years until I finally found mine.  Yes I looked at the shelters, rescues, petfinder, papers, etc.  I really don't want to go into that again since I fully explained this in another thread.

I find it rather hard to believe that in 3 years there weren't any small dogs in any shelters/rescues. While I can believe that there may not have been any in your local shelter/rescue, that doesn't mean you couldn't have traveled to go get one. A lot of people travel to get a dog. I travelled all the way from Chicago to Massachusetts to get one of my dogs.

Well, its true.  Sure I occassionally found  a few small dogs (NONE at my local shelter or any shelters near me but a few 3-6 hours drive away), but they were either not approved for a home with kids or not approved for an apartment without a yard, or were WAY to expensive for me to adopt.  The few I found that did meet those criteria were two states (big states) away, I'm a single mother with disabilities and I simply cannot drive two states away to pick up a dog or anything else.  And I cannot afford to fly a dog on a plane.

While I believe that there are responsible designer dog breeders out there, they are in the minority. In fact, there are a few breeds in the works as we speak. They are the Silken Windhound, Alaskan Klee Kai and a few others. The thing is, you really don't hear about them. Why? Because those breeders are more concerned about creating a new breed and they're concerned about the welfare of the breed as opposed to churning out poorly bred dogs for big bucks.

If anyone is interested in a designer dog and is considering purchasing one from a breeder, check out my [linkhttp://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=124633686&blogID=220266737&MyToken=7e68f45f-fa79-40e5-890b-821257fc924d]designer dog guide[/link]. 

I never said I approve of any breeder pumping out puppies with no concern for anything other than big bucks.

"I always liked Bob Barker's theory on pets. Save a shelter dog and spay and neuter your pets "

"Since I had a little (10) one who wanted a dog she could carry instead of the giants that I love, I did my research on toy size dogs.  Found that I prefered the Chihuahua and than I started looking for a reputable breeder.  I happened to get very lucky and find one in my area without having to drive hundreds of miles to pick her up.  There are lots of byb's breeding Chihuahua's in my area.  Those dogs have confirmation issues, most obvious is the deerhead, had not done any testing on the pups and were willing to let them go at 6 - 8 weeks.  Way entirely to young for a toy breed.  I did not pay any more for here than the byb's wanted and way less than some of the "commercial" breeders were asking.

  Just wondering,  Did you get your dog from a breeder or a shelter?

ORIGINAL: Lilea

ORIGINAL: Aery

All of the explinations here are awesome. However, I don't think Lilea cares very much.

Sometimes, the views of people cannot be changed.[&o]
No matter how many facts are presented.

Thats not very nice.  I thought we were having a friendly debate, not throwing insults.   

Where is there an insult?
You've been given countless facts and have had it explained dozens of times right here, but you choose to counter back with your own opinion against it the entire time. It doesn't seem like a debate so much as you just not being interested in the truth.

Aren't you saving a dog when you purchase it from the pet store?  

Are those dogs to be forgotten because they came from a non-reputable breeder whose out to make a buck?
Are they suppose to rot in a tiny cage and relieve themselves where they have to sleep?
Are they suppose to sit there all day without getting exercise?
What about companionship, love, and a caring owner? Don't they deserve it too?

What should happen to them?










 

pollypuzu-interesting point

Moderator here,
 
This topic...AGAIN? LOL...really folks...
 
Bear that this thread is getting circular with the same things being said by different people.
 
I also want to ask that further posts be kept respectful...it is on the edge...
 
This will NOT become a pack vs one or two people thread folks...that is far from roductive.
 
You all are entitled to disagree...BUT bear in mind that many of you are repeating yourselves and others...I am requesting that ALL take  a break and really think about things including what your post is intended to accomplish before posting it. Much more back and forth and this thread will be put on lock down to FORCE a cooling off period...mmkay?
 
ETA: stay ON TOPIC....which was designer dog breeds. NOT pet store puppies....if you'd like to discuss that...AGAIN, lol. Start a new thread.

ORIGINAL: pollypuzu

Aren't you saving a dog when you purchase it from the pet store?  

Are those dogs to be forgotten because they came from a non-reputable breeder whose out to make a buck?
Are they suppose to rot in a tiny cage and relieve themselves where they have to sleep?
Are they suppose to sit there all day without getting exercise?
What about companionship, love, and a caring owner? Don't they deserve it too?

What should happen to them?

 
No, when you're saving a dog from a pet store you are simply showing the irresponsible, evil puppy millers that there is a demand for pet store dogs.  It's unfortunate, and if people stop buying them they will very likely die, but it wouldn't take very long before the puppy millers got the message.  It's very sad that they would die, but many pet store pups will die early deaths anyway because they are unhealthy as a result of the conditions that they were bred in.
 
Kate

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I do not support anyone who breeds mixed or purebred dogs for the wrong reason.

Neither do I.

ORIGINAL: Lilea

I should have not run that sentence together.  I do not support anyone who breeds mixed breeds ever.  Or those or breed purebred dogs unless they are breeding for the right reasons.  Lining their pockets is not one of them.  As you stated in your previous posts you think it is ok for someone to breed mixed breed dogs intentionally. 
 
Do I dig my heels in while standing up for my believe in ethical breeders?  Absolutely!  I will never change my mind and think it is ok for a breeder to be mixing breeds to line their pockets.  Why else would anyone breed a "puggle" ?

ORIGINAL: pollypuzu

"I always liked Bob Barker's theory on pets. Save a shelter dog and spay and neuter your pets "

"Since I had a little (10) one who wanted a dog she could carry instead of the giants that I love, I did my research on toy size dogs.  Found that I prefered the Chihuahua and than I started looking for a reputable breeder.  I happened to get very lucky and find one in my area without having to drive hundreds of miles to pick her up.  There are lots of byb's breeding Chihuahua's in my area.  Those dogs have confirmation issues, most obvious is the deerhead, had not done any testing on the pups and were willing to let them go at 6 - 8 weeks.  Way entirely to young for a toy breed.  I did not pay any more for here than the byb's wanted and way less than some of the "commercial" breeders were asking.

Just wondering,  Did you get your dog from a breeder or a shelter?

I think you need to re-read my post.  I stated that I did the research and found a reptuable breeder.  This was to be my daughter's pup, I could not risk genetic faults or a bad temperament.  How would I ever explain to my little one that her dog had to be euthanized because of a genetic defect?  So, I started my search and I found my pup locally she came with a two year written health guarantee against any genetic problems.  My dane is a rescue.  Both of my dogs are spayed

My friend's daughter bought a fox terrier impulse buy from a local pet store.  BTW I don't not buy anything there as they sell pups.  Anyway, when friend's daughter discovered pup was too much work for her with her infant son she gave her to my friend.  Sandy took the little girl to the vet for a checkup she is only months old but was so skinny.  Roxie, the terrier, has mega esophagus.  The vet recommended euthanizing her. 
 
When you buy from pet stores you are keeping puppy mills in business and even supporting some byb's.  In buying that pup in the cage, you are sentencing it's mom to the horrors of being a breeder in a puppy mill.

Well, I own a designer dog.  A pug-zu just like Lilea's...Maybe I should've stated that before I posted.  I didn't set out to purchase a "designer dog," it's what I fell in love with.

And I guess I did buy my "designer" dog from a pet store/animal clinic...big deal.  I don't regret it.  

Dogs are living creatures, designer, pure-bred, puppymill, or whatever...why is one worth more than another? 

Do we forget about or leave children who are sickly or have disabilities to die?  No!

How about some legislature to prevent pet shops from selling dogs who are not up to "standard of the breed." That may be a start rather than blaming me or anyone else who purchases and feels sorry for those dogs too...

To me, a pet store is an expensive shelter.  

Alright everyone, have at me........[]

Moderator here,
As per my warning...this thread is now closed for a bit. Move on.