If a breeder...

    • Gold Top Dog

    If a breeder...

    I was thinking about this as I just browsed breed clubs, and looked at the breeders they feature. And one breeder had, "We proudly recommend Hills Science Diet". I shook my head, and looked through her website. She seems like a great breeder except for the recommendation of the science diet food. So, my question is:
     
    If a breeder recommends a bad food brand, like science diet, .. would you still consider them, or write them off?
     
    Please note I am not considering buying from this breeder, I'm just curious to what you guys think.
    • Gold Top Dog
    If a breeder is responsible in every other way, I could bypass what he/she feeds. My own breeders fed different feed to their dogs and I switched them to what I choose to feed.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: meilani
    If a breeder is responsible in every other way, I could bypass what he/she feeds. My own breeders fed different feed to their dogs and I switched them to what I choose to feed.

     
    Ditto.
    • Silver
    I would by pass it. She may enjoy it and think it works great. Its not the absoulte worst food out there. Its not like it is a no name or walmart brand food. I wouldnt let that hold me back at all.
    • Gold Top Dog
    People, come on.......I was a breeder, and my vet has always told me "Eukanuba" was the kibble to feed..........
     
    Use your heads...................[;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    The breeder we are getting Buffy from recommends BilJac, but upon talking to her she only feeds it to puppies...the rest get Iams.  The reason being that she can't afford to feed better food to so many dogs.

    It doesn't bother me at all, but Buffy will get switched to Blue once she has settled in.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My breeder (reputable) was feeding ;Purina, I think.  I didn't hold it against her, although I did give her tons of information about Innova under the guise that I wanted her "blessing" on what I would be feeding Slick! 
    • Bronze
    What is your beef with Science Diet?  It was our number one food at the vet clinic I worked at because they do tons of research with their foods.  Tons of trials and tons of scientific tests.  Not to mention where they produce their food is one of the cleanest facilities.  It's high up on my list of good foods.  All my dogs get it.  I don't understand what the problem is.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Lots of us have a problem with the first ingredient being a veggie..considering dogs are carnivores (Not obligate, but...come on.  No flatties in there).
    • Gold Top Dog
    The nutrition forum here has a lot of information about dog nutrition that might help answer this question.  Also I would encourage you to take a look at the dog food project website, specifically this page:  [linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts[/link] , which has a lot of information about looking at the ingredients in dog food to determine whether the food is optimally nutritious or has a lot of fillers and junky ingredients.  Science Diet doesn't score well when you go through that exercise.  For that reason, many members here don't think it's a very good food. 
     
    ORIGINAL: luvinmydoggies

    What is your beef with Science Diet?  It was our number one food at the vet clinic I worked at because they do tons of research with their foods.  Tons of trials and tons of scientific tests.  Not to mention where they produce their food is one of the cleanest facilities.  It's high up on my list of good foods.  All my dogs get it.  I don't understand what the problem is.
    • Gold Top Dog
    She probably feeds SD because she finds it works best for her line and because I'm sure SD gives her coupons and vouchers.

    I wouldn't say she's a bad breeder.  Infact, as she feeds SD and thinks it's good, has probably been around a while, when SD was decent.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Science Diet = not good because of the ingredients. It was the number one seller because people assume that if the vet carries it then it must be good, when that isn't the case. Most "old school" vets received very little nutrition training and what they did receive was sponsored by Science Diet. The trials and tests they do involve making a food of cheap ingredients that dogs are not designed to eat. The more informed vets realize that there are much better foods out there.

    When I worked at a vet we sold Science Diet also. We had the same "regulars" in constantly for their prednisone, hot spot treatments, allergy shots, etc. and they picked up their Science Diet at the same time. No one ever realized that there just might be a connection. [8|] Some dogs didn't do as badly on Science Diet, however a dog is designed to eat a meat based diet, not a grain based one. After the water weight is removed during cooking, chicken is moved down the list and grains are the primary ingredient. The other problem is the "animal" fat mystery ingredient, the common allergens (wheat and soybeans), the artificial preservatives....


    Science Diet Adult Maintenance
    Chicken, corn meal, ground grain sorghum, ground wheat, chicken by-product meal, brewers rice, soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), natural flavor, vegetable oil, dried egg product, flaxseed, preserved with BHT and BHA, beta-carotene, minerals (iodized salt, calcium carbonate, dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

    And here's just one example of a better quality food:

    Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul Adult Formula
    Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, millet, white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

    Huge difference. [;)]

    To answer the original question, no I wouldn't not purchase a puppy from a breeder because of the food they fed. I would however immediately switch my puppy over to a better food!
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: marty_ga

    The breeder we are getting Buffy from recommends BilJac, but upon talking to her she only feeds it to puppies...the rest get Iams.  The reason being that she can't afford to feed better food to so many dogs.

    It doesn't bother me at all, but Buffy will get switched to Blue once she has settled in.



    The red flags would not go off for me if a breeder was simply ignorant.  But, to me, a breeder should not breed if she cannot afford to feed a good food once she knows about nutrition.  Does that mean she can't afford good vet care, too????[sm=uhoh.gif]
    • Gold Top Dog
    No, Anne, not this one...
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, I do agree with all of you. Lol, I too would switch my dog immediately over to a better food as well. [:D]
     
    If any of you were curious, the breeder who sparked this thought was a Great Dane Breeder.