They don't need another dog! Isn't neglecting the two they have enough?

    • Gold Top Dog

    They don't need another dog! Isn't neglecting the two they have enough?

    I am so incredibly tired of having this discussion with my parents. I am just completely infuriated right now. Sigh.
     
    My parents have decided that they want an English Bulldog. This is very, very bad.
     
     
    My parents have NO regard for animals whatsoever. All living things are completely disposable to them. Growing up, every dog we had ended up living outside, after it failed to housetrain itself. My parents got pets totally on a whim, and when they got tired of them, they ignored them, neglected them, or dumped them. Growing up, all of my pets were denied vet care. If I had a mouse, or a hamster, or a rabbit, my parents made me keep it in a tiny cage, in a garage or basement. It was never allowed out, fed the cheapest and the bare minimum, and if it got sick, tough luck. Going to the vet was reserved ONLY for dogs, and ONLY in life or death situations. Sometimes not even then.
     
    When I became a teenager, I started babysitting and doing random jobs to pay for the pets, hoping it would give me a little more say in their treatment if I covered at least some of their expenses. Not so. My parents still routinely neglected and abandoned their pets when they became a hassle. Only when I was old enough to get a REAL job, pay for everything, and lock my pets in my tiny bedroom did their care improve. Entirely by myself,  on a crappy minimum wage job, I took the best care of the animals as I could.
     
    Even though I spent literally all of my own time and money JUST on my pets, my parents spent all of their time doing teir best to convince me that I was a horrible pet owner. They would spend months making little comments here and there, ultimately convincing me that I abused my animals and neglected them, until  they effectively brainwashed me into thinking it was all true (keep in mind, I'm a VERY young teenager at this point- 14 or so.) and then would convince me that the ONLY solution was to allow them to take my animal and dump them somewhere in the country. They would actually manage to convince me that if we took them to a shelter, they would euthanize them immedately and their only "real chance" was to let them "be free" in the country. I was so young, I really didn't know better...and to this day, I still feel that no matter what I do for my pets, I'm still neglecting them and am a horrible pet owner. Anyway, I'm getting off track- suffice it to say, my parents were emotionally (and sometimes physically) abusive to me and my pets, in many ways that I won't get into here since it's not the point of this post.
     
    The point is, I can't figure out how to talk them out of getting this new dog. They have two dogs now. One is an 11 year old miniature poodle, Sugar. They got her from a pet store. The other is an 8 year old retreiver mix, Maddison, whom they got from a shelter. Both of these dog's lives are crap.
     
    For the first 6 years of her life, Maddison lived on the end of a 6 foot leash in my parent's laundry room. She was taken outside a couple of times a day to potty, if they remembered- if they didn't remember, and she had an accident, she was beaten for it. She had no toys, was never walked, and essentially never left that tiny laundry room and her 6 foot leash. Her muscles started to atrophy and she started to have joint problems at a very young age because of this.
     
    They eventually moved to a new house, and had her a pen built in the backyard. Normally I'm against dogs being kept outside in a run, but this was actually a huge improvement for her. She could at least move around. They built a covered deck for her, and put two dog houses under that, and spread hay in the pen on a regular basis to keep it from getting muddy. A huge improvement...but she's still living her life alone in a pen. She gets literally no attention...just a few cups of food throws over the fence of her pen every day. No pat on the head, no nothing.
     
    About this time, Maddison started to have a skin problem. I don't know if she has mange, or a food allergy, or what...but she started losing her hair in patches and her skin turned gray and scaley and she smelled HORRIBLE. She was this way for two years...completely miserable...and they never took her to a vet. They absolutely refused to bother. Her hips were also crap at this point. She could run only with great difficulty, and she limped constantly. Partially from being fed crappy food her whole life, partially from rarely being able to walk more than 3 or 4 feet in any direction for most of her life.
     
    Sugar, their poodle, still gets to live inside, but only because she literally house trained herself and doesn't bother anyone. Her teeth are rotten to the point that you can smell her mouth if you get within 10 feet of her. She's a very sweet little dog, but she smells so bad it's difficult to pet her. They have her groomed maybe once or twice a year. She gets so matted and disgusting that she can't see and can hardly walk, and then they take her to be groomed. Then, when the groomer is unable to brush her out and give her a pretty poodle cut and has to shave her, they throw a fit and badmouth that groomer to everyone they know and go on and on about how the poor groomers are "too lazy to do their damn job."  Angry  My parents give her lots of attention for the couple of weeks after she's groomed, when she's smelling nice and decent to look at. As soon as her hair starts to grow again, they treat her like crap and start ignoring her again. Sugar is so incredibly attention starved.
     
    Sugar also has seizures that she's never been to the vet about. If one of the dogs does something my parents don't like, they beat them mercilessly. When I was living at home, I got into several physical altercations with my parents just from trying to keep them off of the dogs. Whenever Sugar suspected she was going to get a beating, she would snap at them in fear- which caused them to get angry and beat her harder. Soemtimes, she gets so scared, that she has a seizure...her muscles tense up, she flails a little, and she usually defecates on herself. Usually that just makes them more angry with her. Luckily, Sugar has learned to behave perfectly in every way around them, so they rarely have reason to get angry with her. Still, she lives a pretty miserable life.
     
    Until a few months ago, they ate Ol' Roy or Kibbles and Chunks. With LOTS of persuasion, I convinced my mother to feed them Nature's Recipe Sensitive Skin, hoping that it would help Maddison's skin problem. I also convinced her to give Maddison a cheap glucosamine supplement to hopefully help with her joints. It was the best I could do, since they won't buy "expensive" foods for them, and they won't take them to the vet.
     
    Well, it's done alot for Maddison. Her coat has mostly grown back, and after a few months of getting glucosamine she can walk normally again and barely limps. She looks like a different dog. Sugar's teeth are looking better, as good as rotten teeth can look...so I'm happy at least with that improvement. It was more than I expected.
     
    Although, now, Maddison is getting fat- she gets NO exercise, and my mother gives her FIVE CUPS of food a day. She says she "feels sorry for her." Then she goes on to tell me how thin my dogs are (no, they're healthy. Angry)  and "there you go again neglecting your animals, Brittany. You never did take care of anything. You barely take care of yourself." [&o]
     
    Anyway, they now keep saying that when Maddison and Sugar die, they're going to get an English Bulldog. They act like they're HOPING they'll die soon, so that they can get a new puppy. [:(] I've done everything I can to convince them not to, and if they do to at least try to rescue or go through a responsible breeder. They say they'll "look into it." I know they won't- my parents would NEVER submit themselves to scrutiny from a rescue or a breeder. They'd try it once, call it a waste of time, and go to Petland or answer an ad in the paper.
     
    And more important than WHERE they get the dog, is the fact that they don't need another dog at all. ESPECIALLY not one like an English Bulldog....what are they going to do when they end up with some poorly bred dog from a pet store, who is old at 6 and can't breathe and has heart problems? What then? Most likely, they'll cry about it, convince themselves that theres nothing they can do, and let it die. They NEVER take animals to the vet, ever.
     
    My parents live in a very strange little world. They emotionally abuse their children and their pets. They are upper middle class yuppies who think they are entitled to EVERYTHING and responsible for NOTHING. Whenever a problem arises, regardless of what kind of problem it is, they cry and whine and mope and convince themselves that there is NOTHING that they can do, that it isn't their responsibility, and it's entirely out of their hands. If you disagree with them, you are wrong. The last time I got into an argument about them not taking their dogs to the vet, my mother ended it with "Brittany, you want to spend your money on getting your dogs vet care, and that's fine. I don't feel that that's an important thing to do, so I don't do it. We just have different priorities, and that's okay. You spend your money on what you want, and I'll spend mine on what I want."
     
    And she actually believes this- that if she lets one of the animals in her care die from lack of vet care, well, that's just her "life choice!" It isn't HER responsibility to get these animals vet care, SHE can't be held responsible for what happens to them...she'll cry, get upset, and worry when something is wrong...but she really and trully makes herself beleive that there's nothing she can do about it.
     
    Anyway, I'll end my parent rant here- I could go on for days about how crazy and abusive they are. I just wish there was some way I could convince them not to do this. The dogs they have now have no lives to speak of, and now they want another. I am just beyond upset. [&o]
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Gosh, I'm so mad at your parents, I don't know how you haven't kept from stealing the dogs and reporting them for animal abuse . . . or maybe you should! Your letter is very powerful, the only thing I could think of was maybe change a few details so they wouldn't recognize it, and show it to them as a post you saw, and see what their reaction is. Although, from what you've said, they may not see anything wrong with it. Sometimes people will see what they themselves do as wrong, only when it's done by others, but sometimes not even then. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    I know it's difficult since they're family, but is there any way you could report them? Or at least call animal control, explain the situation, and see if they have any ideas? If you're not against a little trickery, something like convincing them the cost of registering a pet is too expensive might dissuade them. I'm so sorry you and the animals have to deal with such an unpleasant situation.
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    If I reported them, they'd know imediately who was responsible for it. Theyd on't have many friends so no one ever comes over or sees the dogs, and I've threatened to report them more than once. If I reported them, they'd probably never speak to me again. I know that that may not sound like such a bad thing, but my parents did an excelant job of making me very highly dependant on them- convincing me that I was/am completely incapable of doing anything without them. How I ever managed to get out and get married, I don't know. But the point is, whether I should be or not, I'm terrified of making my parents angry at me. I'm only 19...and only just moved out in August. They still do their best to make me feel like an incapable child who can't do anything on my own. I actually have night terrors about my mother dying or abandoning me. It's that bad. They created ALOT of emotional problems for me, being as crazy as they are. Now I'm just trying to deal with them.
     
     
    I'd LOVE to take the dogs myself...but the truth is I can't afford it and they'd just get more. Taking care of my four dogs requires VERy careful planning, saving, and budgeting, and I just can't have more right now. I've tried tot alk them into putting them in rescue...but they won't bother. I worry if I push too hard they'll dump them at the pound or worse, somewhere out in the country.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Ratsicles, 19 is young, I didn't know you were still a teenager! I commend you for being able to present yourself so maturely. At this point, my suggestion would be to work on separating emotionally from them. It is heartbreaking about the dogs, but you ARE being abused and need to take care of yourself.
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    OMG, I'm so sorry for your situation.  Good thing you have at least gotten out of there.  Hopefully you will learn to believe all the good things about yourself.  Just tell yourself everyday "I'm a good person.  I have love in my heart that I will give freely to my animals and friends.  My parents are wrong.  I am a good person."  As far as the animals go, I wish you could report them but I understand why you can't.  I don't know what to tell you.  Other than we are here to listen whenever you need to let things out.  We believe in you.  We believe you are doing the right things.  And we care.  
    • Gold Top Dog
    I would have a friend call animal control and have them check things out.  How would your parents know it wasn't the groomer who called it in?  If the dogs are treated that badly animal control really should be called.
    • Gold Top Dog
    What does your husband say about all this?  Does he have any good suggestions? 
     
    Over time, you will be building a life and family with your husband, not your abusive parents.  They have many issues that only they can fix, not you.  It's not your responsibility either, so don't beat yourself up over it.  I know you want to help the dogs, but this is so far gone and out of control that it may be impossible.  The 2 they have are bad enough, but an EB puppy will put them over the edge with health issues and financial costs.  Have you tried explaining how expensive a breed this is to keep?  I'm hoping maybe the money factor will stop the insanity!!
     
    Keep us posted......
    • Gold Top Dog
    At this point, my suggestion would be to work on separating emotionally from them. It is heartbreaking about the dogs, but you ARE being abused and need to take care of yourself.


    Yep, around the time I turned 18 I finally realized that THEY were the ones with the problems, not me, and that I needed to get out of there. So I did. [:)] Now I'm just trying to put it all behind me, and it isn't easy. Like I said, I have a very, VERY strong attachment to my mother, even though she's nuts and really doesn't deserve it.

    I would have a friend call animal control and have them check things out.  How would your parents know it wasn't the groomer who called it in?  If the dogs are treated that badly animal control really should be called.



    Well, the friend thing is out because I don't *have* any friends. I just moved to Macon, am completely agoraphobic, and have met no one. The friends I've had in high school I haven't spoken to since graduation, almost two years ago. The few friends I have are online friends, and that it. I have no one that could call it in for me.

    And honestly, I doubt animal control would do anything. The outside dog has access to food, water, and shelter. The inside dog obviously isn't starving either, and theres no proof that they beat the dogs. The only thing I could see them having any kind of issue with is Maddison's skin condition, but even that has greatly improved so I doubt they'd even take issue with that. They aren't licensed or UTD on shots though, so that's something. I don't know. Honestly, I've thought of ways I could do it anonymously since moving out, and I really have nothing. I'm hoping that in a year or two I'll be in a position to take on two more dogs, and I'll take them...but who knows.

    If animal control DID have a problem with them, they'd probably just be fined. If they took the dogs, they'd just get more. I really can't see it causing them to take better care of their dogs...and if animal control took the dogs, they'd be euthanized almost immediately. Two old, funky looking dogs won't last long at that shelter. Maddison especially, since she's aggressive towards strangers.

    Right now, my main concern is convincing them NOT to get a third dog. I'll be happy if I can just keep them from getting more.

    What does your husband say about all this?  Does he have any good suggestions? 


    Not really. He does his best to stay out of things involving my parents. My husband and I have been together since I was 15, and were friends before then, and he learned along time ago just to avoid them.

    The 2 they have are bad enough, but an EB puppy will put them over the edge with health issues and financial costs.  Have you tried explaining how expensive a breed this is to keep?  I'm hoping maybe the money factor will stop the insanity!!


    I've explained to them the costs, and they don't care. Money really is not an issue- my parents are VERY well off- they own a big expensive house, drive two brand new cars...they can afford to take care of these dogs, they just won't. They don't care if an EB is an expensive breed, since they won't be bothering with spending money on it anyway.

    Sigh, I'm not sure if theres anything at all that CAN be done here. [&o]


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    Here are some pictures that were taken about a year ago. I was living home at the time, and Axl and Pepito lived in my bedroom with me- they were just outside with me at the time, which is why they're in the pictures.
     
    Maddison's pen:
     

     
    Maddison. You can see how her skin looks here. It actually got worse than that before my mom switched her foods. It's still a bit of a problem and needs vet care though.
     

     
    And Sugar, shortly after being groomed...so she didn't look too matted at the time.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Sigh, I'm not sure if theres anything at all that CAN be done here.

     
    Based on everything you just said, you might be right about that!
     
    So, now it's time to concentrate on yourself.  You need real life friends in your life.  They are so important to have apart from a husband or family.  How about a co-worker to go to lunch with??  Maybe take a class in something you enjoy, or join a gym and take a class.  Get some "me" time for yourself and enjoy your own animals and home.  Sometimes things are just out of our control and stressing over them is not healthy for you.  Have you sought out any type of counseling for yourself regarding the unhealthy relationship with your parents??  Depending on your finances, you may be able to find free help or at least low cost counseling.  It's worth a try and would help you immensely.
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    ORIGINAL: Ratsicles
    Sigh, I'm not sure if theres anything at all that CAN be done here.

     
    I hate to sound so glum, but it does sound like you're stuck between a rock & a hard place.
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    To be honest even reporting them would do ntohing at all. the dogs have food water and shelter. animal control wont do a thing as they are getting what they do need to survive.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I just wanted to say that I'm very sorry for the situation you are in and have been in, I am also only 19, and my father also treats animals badly, growing up my brother rescued a boxer, he was given up 2 weeks later because my dad said he was "too big" and we had a very large house with plenty of room, lucky he doesn't liek animals though so he has never gotten one since my parents divorced 10 years ago. But everytime I see him he never fails to tell me how I am wasting money on my dogs and aparently Raja should be euthanized because she is "too hyper and too big" Nothing I say can change his mind. When I volunteered at Spca my senior year he told me I was wasting my time, because all the animals would die anyways, and wasting money too. So I know some what of what you are going through. But, from all of your post you are a WONDERFUL dog owner, and they are just saying you are not to make you feel bad, and make them think they are good dog owners, which clearly they are not. The retriever mix looks sad and not in good condition, is there anyone that you could sort of "take" the dogs...without them knowing and put them in a rescue. Or would they know it was you, or just keep getting dogs anyways? This does seem like a difficult situation because unfortuenetly AC usually won't do anything if the animal has water, shelter and food, which they do have. Does your local shelter offer any classes in owning a dog, where they could take a class, and then maybe a worker could try to convince them to sign the dogs over??
    • Gold Top Dog
    That was a really really sad post.  I am sorry that you have to go through all of this.

    You may be better off trying to break the attachment to your mother and concentrate on building a life with folks who are more like yourself.