Alternative AKC registries - ?

My Beagle is registered with United All Breed Registry. I bought it from Petland Chain Stores. I later contacted his breeder which is a reputable one.

um, sorry, if you bought from Petland you bought from a very un-ethical breeder who certainly may have a reputation, a bad one that is. There is NO POINT to registering a dog with United All Breed Registry other than trying to trick puppy buyers. If you have AKC or UKC registration you may participate in their competitions which is the only benefit you as a pet puppy buyer get from having these papers. If you have United All Breed registration it gives you no benefit. It's a scam. You can't show your dog anywhere; you can't prove the dog is a correct representative of the breed.

As will be shown in the video in the video library at the petshoppuppies site I linked, Petland gets most of their pets from Graber and a few others in the amish community of Indiana. If a person bought a pet at Petland, it came from these people and the conditions are atrocious and there is undercover video to show it. Not to mention the threatening behavior of the younger Graber who does the brokering. Imagine that - an amish guy trying to get all butch and everything. He threatened a newsman on tape. That's who Petland customers get their pups from.

If I could meet him, I might be able to adjust his attitude. His message "get out of town or else." My message - "let's go ahead and get on to the "or else." Whatcha got, punk?"

 

exactly Ron. These people prey on ignorant pet buyers who think "papers" and "pedigrees" are somehow proof that the dog is "quality". No mention of OFA, no mention of performance/show titles, no mention that NO breeder who cared in any way would ever let a puppy end up being sold through a petstore.

I can't stand these registries.  I'd honestly rather have an unregistered dog than one where the breeder spent extra money on these dummy registries.  Plenty of awesome working GSDs that are bred or imported with no registrations.  If someone told me they register their dogs with one of these registries I'd probably not even consider them.  Maybe that's harsh but in my breed there ARE some dang good breeders out there, no point in wasting time with the others.

breeder spent extra money on these dummy registries. 

I would say that having a dog registered with one of the dummy registries is pretty much a guarantee of poor quality, bad breeder, bad bloodlines- no good ethical breeder would bother with those registries; while AKC registration means nothing automatically re: quality; bad and good breeders register with AKC. And bad and good breeders don't register their dogs, so having no papers also doesn't automatically mean anything re: quality.

I think that statement was taken out of context?  I was not saying they are GOOD b/c they spent extra money or that the registry (any registry) implies quality.  As I said I'd probably not even go to look at dogs from a breeder wasting their money on these registries.  The only reason I care about AKC registry for my dog is that I need it for UKC registry and WDA registry (need to be registered by an FCI recognized registry) because I like to compete in conformation and performance events offered by these two organizations.  I couldn't care less about the registration itself.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7779686.stm

 

mjp29

Our miniature schnauzer paper work was through the United all breed registry. I nor have anyone I've talked to has heard of anything but the AKC. Any comments on this or other registries - please post here.

To the OP, a mini schnauzer person could best answer your question about what regestries are used by ethical breeders who work to breed the healthiest, best examples of the breed.

To me, the United All Breed registry carries no weight, and suggest that your dog was breed by a back yard breeder since many unethical breeders use that registry to make their dogs sound like they are better-bred than they are. That doesn't mean that you don't have a great dog, who is a great pet, but it should be spayed or neutered.

The registry that carries the most weight for my breed, Aussies, is ASCA -- the Australian Shepherd Club of America. All breeds have national clubs, so if you were curious about your dog's pedigree then you could ask them as the authority on your breed. 

I still haven't seen a reply from Espiveron. My questions were honest and not intended to be an insult. Merely asking what the standards are for pure breeds and how they were derived in the UAB.

ETA: I just checked their website. Yes, they do register mixed breeds.

No, they don't have standards. In order to register a dog of standards, you must include the info of the dog's other registry, such as AKC or UKC. On the actual application form for registry, there is no place for listing other registries or even a requirement of pedigree, which would most like come from another registry. Just the name of sire and his owner, and the dam and her owner.

So, I'm not seeing the value of their registry if you need the dog listed in another registry. And, if one's dog is listed in another registry such as AKC or UKC or even CKC, why bother with the UAB. Who don't even inspect kennels as the AKC does?

Esvipron

It is not just running like a big dog...it is being actually a big dog inside. Appearance does not always say.

 

I had dogs all my life, and maybe I double your age (44). My first dog, a mix Samoyed lived 16 years with me, and I did not need an AKC club where I was born (Havana-Cuba) to show how pure were my Dobermans, German Shepherd, Welsh Springer Spaniel or others our family had.

 

You are too tied down to appearances.

 

 

If you bought a 'purebred' with papers yet chastizing someone for being tied down to appearances, you're living in the glass house my friend.  We buy purebreds because we like the way they look and act...also known as 'appearances'.  Purebred by definition is a dog of known pedigree.  Without a known accurate pedigree, in theory, it's not a purebred dog. 

 I would equate your doctorate comment as this:  consider the difference between the doctorate earned from Harvard (AKC) vs the one bought by simply sending a check in the mail to one of those places (is the U. of Trinidad still one of them?) and they mail your certificate back.  One is having the knowledge as proof (AKC:  long established lineage backed up with DNA) to backup the piece of paper on the wall.  The other?  It's just a hollow piece of paper. 

 
They aren't the end all be all but they're the best we have.  I don't trust any of the others in this country.  If they're just holding down the couch and being your best buddy, I don't see what it matters anyway. 
 

By my experience, the best dogs stay with the breeder unless there is some other reason on why a 'working conforming' dog was to be released. Case in point, my JRT rescue Scout. He is the first born and literally stuck in his mother for 10 minutes while the breeders was pulling his legs. (Legs were blue) She wanted to keep him but her husband did not want another male JRT as his father is a handful. He was originally going to be a stud dog.

Personally, I could careless for 'barbie' dogs because I don't plan to do any conforming but I do prefer a pure breed dog that had the characteristics and traits beside the looks to prove it. One of my instructors told me what tricks that the barbie dogs have to endure so they conform to the breed description. Its so sad. Those breeders are just as bad as a puppy mill. Sorry for the change of topic.

Your instructor is lying through her teeth.

 

"Collie abuse! Terribleness and woe!" - Kaylee, retired showdog
 

jdata

By my experience, the best dogs stay with the breeder unless there is some other reason on why a 'working conforming' dog was to be released.....One of my instructors told me what tricks that the barbie dogs have to endure so they conform to the breed description. Its so sad. Those breeders are just as bad as a puppy mill. Sorry for the change of topic.

For starters, we can't keep them all, even if they're quite wonderful.  In a day where we are criminalized for owning dogs--particularly more than like 3 dogs--we have to be more creative about our placements.  I have 3 dogs in co-ownership that I may breed to should I choose to.  The homes are those that will work, show, and spoil the dogs so it works out.

If you're referring to show dogs as barbie dogs, that's quite a false statement you're making there.  I show my dogs and not once have I surgically altered any dog or given/applied harmful substances to get them to win.  They get a bath, conditioning, blow dry, spray conditioner, thorough combing and brushing, and some grooming powder.  They also get basic foot care which is a nail trim and trimming the hair so they have good footing.  I have blemish cream for any scars they may have from either too rough play or the occasional scuffle because some judges will not overlook them despite that having nothing to do with the standard.  It's hardly abuse and hardly a 'trick'.  Everyone seems to 'know' some underhanded thing that has been done in the name of showing dogs yet a name can never be produced, nor can any proof. 
 

It's been a while since I made this post, but I feel compelled to follow up. I just wanted everyone to know that I contacted one of the two "reputable" U.S. registries (either the AKC or UKC but I won't disclose which one publicly since it's not the real point I want to make here) and asked if I could register my dog with them also. They said sure and pointed me to an application. Per the application, I took a photo of the dog, made a photo-copy of his pedigree, and sent them $. Within less than a month I received paperwork from the *** and the dog was fully registered. In addition to certificates and all the bells and whistles and rights to breed the dog as a *** dog I also have a *** card to enter competitions. In the end, the lesson I learned was if I could send a pedagree photocopy and a self-taken photo with $ then the dog would be registered. In other words, as long as I sent in some easy things and most importantly $ then the dog was instantly registered with a "well respected" registry with full rights to breed and register the offspring and enter their competitions. Lesson learned is: Dog registries are all about the bottom line - which is send us some $. What really counts when it comes to dogs is the quality of the breeder.

mjp29

It's been a while since I made this post, but I feel compelled to follow up. I just wanted everyone to know that I contacted one of the two "reputable" U.S. registries (either the AKC or UKC but I won't disclose which one publicly since it's not the real point I want to make here) and asked if I could register my dog with them also. They said sure and pointed me to an application. Per the application, I took a photo of the dog, made a photo-copy of his pedigree, and sent them $. Within less than a month I received paperwork from the *** and the dog was fully registered. In addition to certificates and all the bells and whistles and rights to breed the dog as a *** dog I also have a *** card to enter competitions. In the end, the lesson I learned was if I could send a pedagree photocopy and a self-taken photo with $ then the dog would be registered. In other words, as long as I sent in some easy things and most importantly $ then the dog was instantly registered with a "well respected" registry with full rights to breed and register the offspring and enter their competitions. Lesson learned is: Dog registries are all about the bottom line - which is send us some $. What really counts when it comes to dogs is the quality of the breeder.

 

Well I agree with the lesson learned but there are different levels of registry.  At least with the AKC you cannot have a fully registered dog only based on a non-certified pedigree and picture of your dog.  You could ILP a dog that way but the dog cannot compete in conformation as there's no purpose in evaluating for breeding (and I think the dog must be altered to obtain and ILP?).  The UKC also has limited privilege registration for altered dogs that cannot compete in conformation.  For full registration the dog must already be registered by another recognized registry.  It sounds like this is actually the case with your dog since you mention it later on.  So your statement, "the lesson I learned was if I could send a pedagree photocopy and a self-taken photo with $ then the dog would be registered" isn't totally correct.  Just based on those two criteria you cannot fully register a dog with either registry.