Alternative AKC registries - ?

 

The AKC and the UKC (United Kennel Club) are the two reputable clubs in the US (as far as holding shows/performance events/etc) There are other nonreputable ones around though.

Is the UKC the same thing as the United all breed registry?

mjp29

Is the UKC the same thing as the United all breed registry?

 Nope.  The UKC is the United Kennel Club.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/

a lot of the less reputable registries tend to keep their names similar to the well known ones, such as CKC for the Continental Kennel Club, but which can be mistaken for the quite reputable Canadian Kennel Club, or the Universal Kennel Club, which can be mistaken for the United Kennel Club.  Some of the reputable kennel clubs have made registration a bit more strict (which is not to say they're infallible), so puppy millers and prolific backyard breeders have turned to some of the other registries so their puppies will still be 'papered' and often charge a higher price

With all this said Is anyone familiar with or know of the aunthenticity of the "UNITED All Breed Registry And Pedigree Service Blue Ribbon Division" a.k.a. "United All Breed Registry" - ? I do know they DNA test as somehow my wife pointed out which dog(s) on the pedigree had been dna tested to attempt to keep the blood line authentic to the breed. hmmmmm I suppose there isn't a way to also register the dog with the AKC - or perhaps the AKC would register a dog if they recognize this registry - ?

 United All Breed Registry is one of the 'by and for puppy millers' registries. No one reputable would EVER consider using this registry. DNA proves parentage, but not breed. Most of the folks who register with them have lost AKC privileges or don't want to deal with inspections or the record keeping requirements (which are minimal) for AKC. Some BYBs use them, too, thinking that the DNA thing means they're reputable. They're not.

 

Enjoy your dog.  Neuter him, he'll probably be a great pet, and if you neuter him, you can get an AKC ILP and do performance events. But in no event should he be bred.

Not all non-AKC breeders are BYBs or of poor reputation.  There are several excellent and very desirable lab breeders who have quit using the AKC in disgust.  It's unnecessary for field work.  There is also a very well though of German Short Hair breeder in this state who no longer uses AKC registry. 

 As with any dog, you need to know your breeder, his/her reputation, and get familiar with dogs from the bloodline.  You don't say where your puppy came from, but really the breeder should have explained his paperwork to you before you bought.  Have fun with your puppy!
 

 There are definately folks that use other registries- such as a single-breed registry (breed club) like JRTCA, ASCA or ABCA (or ISDS). For companion breeds? There IS no other reputable registry, unless you are talking UKC (United Kennel Club).    Anyone else? A crappy excuse for a breeder.

For working dogs there is no reason to not go with a single-breed registry or the UKC. UKC is much more working-dog oriented and they register a lot of breeds that the AKC does not.

pugtona500

Not all non-AKC breeders are BYBs or of poor reputation.  There are several excellent and very desirable lab breeders who have quit using the AKC in disgust.  It's unnecessary for field work.  There is also a very well though of German Short Hair breeder in this state who no longer uses AKC registry.   

While I can agree that not all non-akc breeders are BYB or have poor reputations, I think it is true that for most "companion" breeds lack of AKC or UKC registration means the breeder is questionable. While some breeds have specialized registries which are reputable, the mini schnauzer is not one of them so I would wonder why the breeder does not have akc papers.

Quite honestly the question that runs through my head when I see dogs listed with new registries is:  " is there a dog in the family tree that was sold with a limited registration so any offspring CAN"T be registered?" 

MJP29: Enjoy your dog and I hope none of this thread has you worrying about a piece of paper...

PS  pugtona500  Which "well thought of " Shorthair breeder in Ohio no longer uses the akc registry???

I looked them up and they have a special division for designer dogs called the "United Designer Dog Division."    I'd say they're definitely not a reputable registry if they have THAT.  If the dog is just to be a pet, though, registration papers really don't matter.  It's just a piece of paper...   

 http://www.unitedregistry.com/

But, I'd also like to point out that just because a dog is AKC registered doesn't mean that it DIDN'T come from a puppy mill.  LOTS of puppy mills register their dogs with AKC.  They get more money that way, and like it was said before, AKC isn't all that strict about it.  I personally would rather go with UKC, just because I hate the way AKC splits up dog breeds into "conformation" and "working" types, when they should all be the same.  I honestly understand why people would stop using AKC just because of that.  It's like the whole point is lost. 

registration with AKC may mean anything re: the breeder. Registration with United all breed or with Continental pretty much guarantees the dog is from  "bad breeding".  The only point of registering with these "agencies" is to fool the puppy buyers. At least registration with AKC or UKC lets you compete in their events.

The puppy came from a private breeder that is in no way a puppy mill. In fact, her dogs and pups were in her home, which is an expensive home from what I could estimate. She was kinda old-fashioned and so was her husband. I've owned AKC dogs in the past and this pup to me seems to be just as true to the breed as the AKC dogs. It was really never a concern of mine, as the dog is really my wife's and children's dog that I went along with on the agreement -> (I play with him, but they have the responsibilities of vet and clean up and feeding, etc...). I did a bit of googling as I had only ever heard of AKC, but their do appear to be quite a few reputable non-AKC registries - I'm not saying this registry is one of them, but I can attest it certainly didn't come from a puppy mill. In some ways, I get the feel that there is a certain arrogance from those that post that have AKC papers. In fact, those telling someone that this dog should never be bred, blah blah blah, come across with a regal tone. To each his own - to me it's just a dog that looks and acts very much like any other miniature schnauzer.

That is true I believe. My wife said that many stores in malls that sell pups have AKC papers that come from puppy mills - as seen on under cover shows on t.v. In fact, the DNA testing is done by the puppy mill owner with a kit the AKC mails them.