why i didn't buy from a "reputable" breeder

I completely agree that a breeder has every right in the world to be as selective and "discriminative" as they choose. I would much rather have a breeder conduct the re-homing of a new puppy in that manner than to be oblivious to where a puppy ends up for the rest of its life. Same goes for rescues, in my opinion....hence the reason they are called "Rescues" and "Shelters". These dogs are taken out of less-than-acceptable conditions...it simply does not make sense for them not to take every effort to ensure that it does not happen again.
 
Faramir - I'm still trying to figure out what you were attempting to accomplish with your original post. I understand that you wanted to express hwo you feel, and you have every right to do so. However, I think that you were perfectly aware of the fact that you were going to stir up some emotion in posting on this topic. It sounds as though it's happened before. So then, when you received the replies that you did (and I'm sure you knew that you were going to), you respond back that you are no longer interested in talking about it anymore. I'm a little confused, to say the least...

I did a lot of research before I bought my dog 5 years ago. It took me awhile to decide on which breed I wanted, I did a lot of research and talked to owners of the breed. I read books and searched the internet for a few months after choosing a breed, about choosing a breeder. There is plenty of information out there. I learned what to look for in a breeder, I think it's a cop-out to say the information isn't easily available. I found a couple of breeders and after talking to them, decided on which I thought was a better choice. I had to fill out a lot of paperwork, I know she called my vet and my references. I met her in person, and she also wanted to meet all family members that would be living with the dog. I wanted this breed bad enough that I would have done almost anything she had asked of me. If I found it too much work, or too invasive, then I would have had  to re-thing my determination to own this breed. I still had to wait almost a year after picking a breeder and her giving me the ok.
  As for price, I knew getting a pure bred would be expensive and with all the time it took us to finally get the dog, it was plenty of time to come up with the purchase price and vet bills.
 

It sounds as though it's happened before. So then, when you received the replies that you did (and I'm sure you knew that you were going to), you respond back that you are no longer interested in talking about it anymore
 
It has happened before, many times.Nothing that runs counter is considered...and really it's not the point of the discussion...education or learning...it's more the emotion around the discussion that fills the need.
 
This is what I've observed from this person being on the forum before under a different name...and solely my view/opinion. Now I am only reading/going on the surrounding discussion as the OP's posts are no longer viewable to me...by choice lol.

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It sounds as though it's happened before. So then, when you received the replies that you did (and I'm sure you knew that you were going to), you respond back that you are no longer interested in talking about it anymore
 
It has happened before, many times.Nothing that runs counter is considered...and really it's not the point of the discussion...education or learning...it's more the emotion around the discussion that fills the need.
 
This is what I've observed from this person being on the forum before under a different name...and solely my view/opinion. Now I am only reading/going on the surrounding discussion as the OP's posts are no longer viewable to me...by choice lol.

 
 
 
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miss mandy...you seem like a nice, sincere person...i will try to answer you.
 
in the past, i had mentioned that i have a goldendoodle...i was lambasted in so many different ways...i would have been forgiven if i admitted i had done something wrong, since i had been a novice...but i was too happy with my dog and comfortable with the homework that i had done to feel it was a bad idea...i am not interested in THAT argument anymore.
 
there are many aspects of responsible breeding that are of  high interest to me...i enjoy discussing these issues without getting bogged down with the question of whether or not designer dogs breeders and buyers are responsible or not.
 
the purpose of the original post of this thread was to highlight the problem that novices have in purchasing from a "responsible" breeder...something i discovered by the thread is that these breeders actually don't want novices...which makes me wonder how people can condemn novices for not going to the "better" breeders.
 
this is a dog forum...to discuss dog issues...my purpose is not to inflame emotions, and i try to avoid that...if some people choose to get inflamed rather than discuss courteously and present their case...well, so be it...

You're right. This is a forum to discuss dog issues, and as I said before, you do have every right to do so. I honestly don't think it was anyone's intent to lambast you due to your posts, or your decision to adopt your dog. In my opinion, this is (and will continue to be) a touchy subject, and one that many people feel very strongly about.
 
As you mentioned in your last post, this is something that you've posted on before, so I'm sure you know that there is a high emotion level attached to a subject such as this. When posting about a controversial subject (or any subject, for that matter), you have to be prepared to receive replies from people that do not agree with you. It's inevitable.

gina: 

Now I am only reading/going on the surrounding discussion as the OP's posts are no longer viewable to me...by choice lol.

 
fascinating...she follows me around from thread to thread...like a fly to honey...comments on my posts...but doesn't actually read any of them....

if you're not willing to take a shelter/rescue dog because you're concerned about possible health and behavioral problems, why on earth would you be willing to pay a pet store or BYB for a dog? These dogs are highly likely to have health and behavioral problems. Particularly the pet store puppies.
 

Wait, are you getting into a linebreeding debate now?  I'll say it one more time.  Linebreeding is only detrimental when there are bad traits such as recessive genetic diseases present in a bloodline.  Otherwise, a person who is linebreeding knows those lines like the back of their hand and can avoid many genetic issues that way.  If you know your line is PRA free, you'd be risking your line's health by introducing dogs from lines you don't know.  Outcrossing and linebreeding are both important and need to be researched thoroughly either way.  I just hate the purebreds are inbred and therefore have genetic problems arguement.  A breeder that knows what he is doing can linebreed without problems.  Just a small rant.  Besides I can't tell if you mean outcross as in crossbreed or outcross as in pulling dogs from other bloodlines. 

And what you said about breeders, I'm sorry but the breeders I know would be more than happy to educate a 'novice'.  They just want to know you've done a bit of research and know how to care for a dog.  I mean, everyone's who's gotten a dog from a breeder had to start somewhere.  The breeders I know are thrilled when someone takes an interest in their breed and really seems to want to be learning.  They'll help novice owners and showers etc as much as they can.  Beau's breeder has been so supportive, giving us advice on grooming and showing- we'd never groomed a papillon before or shown a dog before.  If you put forth some effort, they'll be very helpful and you'll learn a lot. 

I agree that there are 'byb' who love their dogs, but that doesn't mean they know anything about breeding.  Just because you love your dog doesn't mean you should breed it.
 
EDIT:  Sorry, missed the last page.  That was a response to your last post on page 3 lol 

When I was the 'novice contacting responsible breeders' I did not feel that they didn't want me. I just felt that they wanted to know that I had really researched this breed, and had plans for the dog's future (agility, or flyball, or obedience, or something). They wanted to know how I planned on training the dog.
 
If I had to re-home my dog (hypothetical, not that it would happen!) I would certainly ask these questions. So why wouldn't a breeder?

If you're getting turned down by numerous breeders, then maybe you should reassess your situation and do something to improve it. Just because someone is a novice dog owner doesn't mean they can't get plenty of exerience. Volunteer to help with a breed club to learn about the characteristics of the breed; become a volunteer dog walker for a local shelter to learn how to deal with training issues; foster a puppy for a rescue; find a good trainer who will agree to work with you and your puppy after you take it home and get a "game plan" for cate training, house training etc.

All of those things would not only prove to a breeder that you will provide a great home for their puppy, but also make you a better all round dog owner which in itself should make it worth while.

lauralin: 

I just hate the purebreds are inbred and therefore have genetic problems arguement.

 
you may hate it, but that doesn't stop it from being true...
 
go to [linkhttp://www.canine-genetics.com]www.canine-genetics.com[/link]
 
anything on there you would like to discuss, feel free.

Persoanlly, I have found that  rescues are far more picky than a reputable breeder.
 
This issue is very near and dear to my heart, as both of my dogs are breeds that have been severely damaged by BYBs (pit bull and lab).
 
I have read several breed specific pit and lab books, and all have stated that a reputable breeder is the best place to get a pup and WHAT a reputable breeder is.
 
I expect a breeder to ask questions of me.  I expect them to care who their dogs go to.  When I got Jack, I knew I would have a built in hurdle because of Sally's breed, but I still managed to find a good breeder.
 
I don't know that you can necessarily prove that between "good" breeders and rescues that there are not enough dogs to go around.  Just about any shelter worker will tell you that there are TOO MANY dogs to go around.  My friend's mom "breeds" (yes, BYB) labs and still has pups that were born in June because she cannot sell them despite lowering her price.  They sell lab pups at a horse auction house around here for $25.  They dump pit bull puppies in ditches and in the street, and sell registered pits for $50-$100.  That, to me, doesn't say that the world is short of dogs.

sally:

I don't know that you can necessarily prove that between "good" breeders and rescues that there are not enough dogs to go around.

 
i don't recall myself or anyone else including shelter dogs in the equation.

Yes, but you have to unless you are going to assume that every single dog buyer is going to want a purebred dog, which we both know is untrue.
 
The bottom line is that you have absolutely nothing to back your claim up, you are just pulling it out of your butt.
 
If there are not enough dogs to go around, why the rescues?  Why the thousands and thousands of labs and pits and goldens and shepards and rots and border collies, yadda, yadda, yadda that are put down and/or dumped at shelters as puppies even if there are not enough dogs?