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ORIGINAL: amstaffy
Congratulations, I bet it was a very proud and emotional event....even for you []

 
Thank you.  It was.  And was that a shot?  []

ORIGINAL: debv53

Congratulations Bill, I am sure you are proud any pictures of the child in his uniform? I hate the way they grow up so quickly.

 
Thanks Deb.  I have a picture but I will have to scan it.  I got a chuckle out of your phrase "child in his uniform."  I agree with you, he is a child (19), not old enough to drink but old enough to die for his country.  Kind of ironic.

ORIGINAL: probe1957

ORIGINAL: amstaffy
Congratulations, I bet it was a very proud and emotional event....even for you []

Thank you.  It was.  And was that a shot?  []

 
What ever would make you think that? 

You must, indeed, be proud.
 
And tell him that ron2 appreciates his service to our country.
 

Thank you, Ron.  I have 2 boys grown, both with military service.  1 more to go.  I was in the Army, my oldest was in the Navy, now Paul in the Air Force.  If we can get Isaac go into the Marine Corps, we will have all 4 major services covered.  []

I also think everyone needs to be responsible for what they themselves post, and sometimes that means re-reading posts to find what was thought to be offensive in the first place.  No one is perfect, and I find here a lot that when accusations fly from a poster, 99.9% of the time that poster is equally as guilty of the same said accusation.  That will always be a mystery to me.  Why it's good for the goose but not the gander. ?????
 
Maybe there could be a section soley for debates.  Nutrition, training, breeding, etc.....Lots of boards have areas set up like that so the diehard debaters have a forum to use instead of the other areas in general.  If you want to debate, go to those specific threads.  If you don't, then DON'T go there!  It's that simple. 
 
Also, as a "newbie", I"m finding the use of that word lately being used in a derogatory fashion, as though we are not really welcomed here.  I am not a "troll" or "firestarter".  I may just believe a little differently than someone else.  That's life. 
 
I don't agree with listing poster's credentials for all the previous reasons mentioned.  How do I know you are legit??  I don't know you or your experience, or that you are even telling the truth!  Way too much liability there I'm afraid.  In fact, sometimes a little humble pie goes a long way.
 
I've seen posters blasted for feeding certain brands of dog food!  Sometimes you have to sit back and remember we are talking about dogs here.  Jaime mentioned this concerning training debates.  These are dogs we're talking about, this isn't finding a cure for cancer or rocket science.  Lots of people here have pet dogs, period.  They don't run agility, they don't do conformation, they don't use behaviorists, they don't spend $100 per bag of dog food.  So be it.  They are no less valuable on this forum.  I include myself in this category and the one thing we should all have in common that matters is our love for dogs. 
 
For any type of moderator position (I know you aren't really looking Jaime!) I would only ever nominate a man.  Working with women is a chore and the hormonal moodiness can be unbearable.  Men tend to be MUCH more even keeled in nature and don't hold grudges.  They insult each other and then go out for a beer!  Women hold grudges, get much nastier and personal.  This is JMHO, but I work in a profession of mostly women and see this firsthand.  Thank God for the male doctors on my unit because all the nurses are female and it's rough!!     

ORIGINAL: Mastiff

Maybe there could be a section soley for debates.  Nutrition, training, breeding, etc.....Lots of boards have areas set up like that so the diehard debaters have a forum to use instead of the other areas in general.  If you want to debate, go to those specific threads.  If you don't, then DON'T go there!  It's that simple.       

Pleeeeeeease, NO MORE SECTIONS! This board is practically impossible to wade through now. I wish we could get rid of a few sections and that threads started would be on topic for the section or moved to where they were on topic. [sm=2cents.gif]

This board is practically impossible to wade through now.

 
I think it's fairly easy to navigate.  I just don't go to areas that aren't of interest to me.  If the heading was "Debates" and then broken into the most popular debates (it would only be a few) it would totally isolate the bickering to one known area.  Not everyone likes debating, so they could simply avoid that.  You can discuss debate topics at their regular sites, just no bickering.  Take it over to the debate area.  It works very well on other sites. 
 
Have you ever got into a debate on a parenting board over SAHM vs. working moms??  Bottle vs. breastfeeding??  It can get ugly, really quickly!  You almost have to segregate those hot topics from the general population!      

I agree with Sooner...there are already more than enough topics.
 
While I find men make better friends, I would rather work with women exactly because they "get" the hormonal fluctuations, the sick kids,etc, and tend to be far more empathetic in general.

I agree with Sooner...there are already more than enough topics.

 
So, consolidate!  You will never eradicate debate, so it just makes much more sense to me to "put it" in a place where those that chose to go can and those that can't stand any debate or conflict don't have to be subjected to it.  I'm just trying to make everyone happier.
 
And, women tend to USE  their "hormones" as excuses as to why they act the way they do.  Trust me, they do at my job.  You can be blasted or spoken to inappropriately and then get the weak apology that it was "because of a hot flash, or I have PMS", blah, blah, blah.  Nope.  Not good enough.  You are still expected to be responsible for your words and actions regardless of your sex and hormone levels!  I have yet to hear a male co-worker blast somebody else and then come back with some lame excuse that his testosterone levels are out of whack!  

consolidating or not consolidating would be at the discretion of the administrator.  Not us.
 
And frankly, there was a time, in the not too distant past, that we COULD debate without personal attacks and nastiness.  There were perhaps one or two members (former members) who would go ever the line and get nasty.....nothing like now tho.
 
I have never used hormones as an excuse.  Hot flashes, PMS or anything else.  Nor do I offer lame apologies or excuses.  When I am wrong I admit it and apologize gueninely.  I'm not in the habit of tossing out personal barbs or being nasty and when I am I will be the first to apologize for it, and not with excuses.  When I stand my ground it is because I believe in my heart that I am absolutely right.

ORIGINAL: Mastiff

You almost have to segregate those hot topics from the general population!      

We already have the hot topics segregated. We have EVERY topic segregated.

I agree that you can't eradicate debate, but why do you have to put debates into a whole seperate section? Why can't people just debate maturely and follow the rules in the regular threads?

Why can't people just debate maturely and follow the rules in the regular threads?

 
I don't know.  You tell me.  It doesn't seem to happen here at all.  So why subject everybody here to a few hot topics?? 

ORIGINAL: Mastiff

Why can't people just debate maturely and follow the rules in the regular threads?

I don't know.  You tell me.  It doesn't seem to happen here at all.  So why subject everybody here to a few hot topics?? 

It's been bad lately, but that's how it happens - we have periods of ups and downs. I've only been here a year or so and I see the patterns. You can't have this many personalities in one place and not have some conflicts. I'm just saying that I don't think we should excuse the behavior by allowing it in one place, I just think that people should learn to follow the rules and keep their debates clean.

I just think that people should learn to follow the rules and keep their debates clean.

 
Agreed.[]