Peta Kills Most of the Animals it "Liberates"

well then those that have pets...are hipocrites as well....not even buying into the philosophy themselves, sounds like a great organization...lol
 
Of course adopt them..love them...then watch the entire species die out around you...sounds like heaven...no wait...[sm=evilfire.gif] yeah that;'s more like it! What I feel, is that Ingrid...and people like her are not so much animal lovers, as they are people haters. They cannot stand anyone to find enjoyment in anything really...if there were no longer this cause..they'd find something else to tsk tsk and click their tongues and write pamphlets about.
 
LoveyouKay BS! is a GREAT! show...the Animal Rights movement and the environmental movement are my two FAVORITE episodes. [sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]

determined, if you look into it farther, you will find that the story about the Consumer organization is also something concoted by PETA.

It's very convoluted.

Glad you don't donate. I do not believe they adopt pets out at all. Even their own statistics say they kill 86% of the animals they take in.

We don't support Peta es well- such a organization of extremists- [:@]. We rather help our loacal animal shelter or rescue stations. So I know where my money is going to be used.

More than half of the vegetarians in my school think PETA is an all-knowing heavenly organization, it bothers me so much. None of them listen to other points of view or accept the facts behind the organization. Brushing some of the facts off thinking they're just rumours.

 
I've seen that behavior in more than one field of discussion. From animal rights to sub-atomic physics and Quantum Mechanics. It's called faith. A person latches onto a theory or explanation because it fits in with their world view, their politics, their paradigm. And any evidence to the contrary is rejected outright or they attempt to subvert it through rhetoric. It doesn't change reality but they think it does. And, like any faith, some are willing to kill to protect that faith. Most are just vitriolic and think that their rhetoric somehow proves their point. Einstein started it and it hasn't slowed down. The best we can do is to re-educate people on true humane treatment of animals.
 
I always donate to the local shelter. Sometimes, that may buy more supplies to care for the animals that are there, sometimes it buys more PTS cocktail.

With regards to keeping pets:
 
For many people, indeed many people on this board, their animals are not simply a pet, but a true working animal with a job to do.  PETA, as they stand now, are against this in any form - from an assistance dog with its handler to a herding animal and its sheep.
 
What, then, is PETA's stance on NON-human species that have coexistent, symbiotic relationships with other species?  Off the top of my head, I can think of 3:
 
Communist ant colonies keep aphids as workers.
 
The "crocodile bird" picks the food out from between the teeth of crocodiles, in exchange for not being eaten while in its mouth.
 
Pilot fish, who not only swim into the mouths of sharks to clean their teeth, but guide larger fish to food sources.  In either case it is incredibly rare for a pilot fish to be eaten by the animal it is helping. 
 
Humans have had no involvement with the evolution of the above relationships, so they are not our "fault".  How are any of those cases different from a human evolving a symbiotic relationship with a horse, dog, or any other working animal?  What about documented cases of dolphins guiding boats back to port and saving drowning people?  Why would they do that if productive coexistence with humans was always unnatural - no exceptions?
 
Kate
 
 

I have never looked at Peta as an animal friendly organization.  Infact, i actually do hate them quite a bit.  I think they're a bunch of extremists who are pretty good scam-artists. 
 
I have never donated to peta and never will.  I know my money goes a lot farther at the local animal shelters.

Regarding the trial in North Carolina... The most recent news I've read is that the trial for one (or both) of the PETA employees starts this month (I think they're being tried separately).   It's my understanding that they are both still charged with numerous felony and misdemeanor charges.  Additionally, the lab results on the drugs they were using came back a month or so ago and they were all Schedule III Narcotics which can only be purchased and used by a licensed Veterinarian, so I'm sure additional charges will stem from that.   Regardless of the conditions of the shelter the animals were taken from, according to the shelter staff, they were taken under false pretences, and I believe that those are some of the charges. Examinations of the dead dogs found many of them to be young and in good health.  Additionally, a mother cat and two kittens were taken from a Veterinarian with the promise to adopt them out. It's a shame that this has taken so long to go to trial (over a year) because the case has somewhat faded from public memory.  But it is still a very important trial.  Felony convictions could (or should) hold some major repercussions for PETA, in particular their tax exempt status.  Or so we can hope.

Kelly, you are absolutely right.  This had all but faded from my mind.
 
Yes, there are cases where animals are far better off with the sweet release of a needle and running free at the Bridge.  But this was NOT the case with young, healthy animals and NO ONE has the right to make the decision that someone ELSES animal is better off dead.  Particularly not some group of nuts that "thinks" they know what's best for everyone else and every animal.

The image that I've never been able to get out of my mind is that of dozens of scared dogs being packed into the back of a Van and then having two unlicensed, unqualified yahoos systematically euthanizing them while driving down back-country roads looking for dumpsters to throw the bodies in.
 
With such disregard for the dignity of  life and death, I can't imagine them spending any time comforting or taking care to not hurt those poor ups.  How terrible for them to have been potentially "rescued" and then end up spending their last hours and moments in what must have been a chaotic and terrifying situation.
 
Not exactly a peaceful and gentle trip to the bridge.  Yet somehow PETA still defends it as a humane way of dealing with the animals.  The only thing they've admitted to doing wrong was the improper disposal of the bodies.

For PETA it is humane.  Their stance is that being a pet is inherently cruel for the animal, so by preventing an animal from being a pet for one second longer than necessary, they are being humane.  Leading an animal gently and quietly to the Bridge would indicate that PETA believes these animals deserve love and companionship as pets.  They don't believe that, so a kind death isn't seen as necessary.
 
Kate

Pets are domesticated animals, with evidence for that dating back 15,000 years to 100,000 years, depending on which archeological researcher you are reading. Turn them loose into the wild is not an option, though some animals have survived in a feral state. But PETA is not even allowing these pets to find good homes. True, a large number of animals will be PTS because there are not enough good homes to go around. How dignified is their final rest in the back of a van at 40 mph while the PETA "borg" shoot one after another, looking for a dumpster and violating laws and misrepresenting to donors what they are doing?
 
And who are they to say that life as a pet in a loving home is harmful to the animal? Shadow would have to disagree. Here, he gets vet care, flea treatments, cooked meat and sweet potatos, at times, and regular food most of the time, shelter from the elements, his own yard to do as he pleases.
 
Or Jade. Her "free" life on the streets was about to end, judging by her starved and emaciated condition when we found her. Now, she's muscled up and well-fed with way too much energy to pester the dog and rescue the world from evil shopping bags and a carpet piece for the front entry.
 
True, at the shelter, she may have been eventually euthanized but she would have had at least week to be adopted. And I would defy anyone to pass up on that pure white fur and eyes of jade green. Even then, there are proper channels. And the Sherman Animal Shelter is operating on a budget so small, it doesn't even qualify as a fraction of what PETA rakes in from celebrities who find it easy to do a commercial and then walk away, not realizing what they are supporting.
 
I agree that we, as a society, should look out for the welfare of pet animals. Even euthanasia, when necessary. And we have that already, with ethics and procedures far better and more dignified than what PETA has become. I don't think their case is helped by the director being a nihilist, in general principle.
 
 

wow, i never would have known. i've always laughed at peta and how extreme they are with veganism, but im not laughing now.
 
when i started reading this i had to grab the "animal times" magazine i had gotten in the mail from peta. i never paid it much attention because i thought it was mostly about veganism.
 
so now i read it, and the whole magazine is about peta did this and won this and peta peta peta. every other page has an ad saying to give them money, but doesnt specify what they plan on doing with it. the only story in it i could find about pets was one about why euthanasia was a good choice. there is however an add for vegetarian dog food, one would assume you would be feeding it to your pet dog and another little section mentions the "snip-mobile" petas traveling spay/nueter clinic. oh, the back cover is all about leaving your dog at home in hot weather, not to leave them in hot cars. im still going to eat cheeseburgers the rest of my life, but they do make a good point on that one.
 
i dont know what to think, but i know if they strive to rid animals of being pets they are spending too much time on a lost cause.
 

Gaylemarie, that's why I posted. I wanted people who didn't know to find out what a horrible organization it is.

I have a friend on another board with whom I've been corresponding. He has given me permission to post his emails to me.

(Disclaimer about the links: The bottom one does have a picture of a dead puppy killed by PETA on it.)



I live in North Carolina and since PeTA headquaters are based in Virginia we get much of PeTAs drama. In the Southern States PeTa has literally been physically removed from too many school systems to count and the arrogance transitions in everything they do. PeTA supporters do not even know past crimes of some of the top people in the PeTA camp, for example Bruce Fredrich International grassroots director and Vegan director tried to destroy an air force jet here in NC as a member of another radical group, he was convicted and sent to prison.
I have much knowledge about the group from it's inception, when I read about the killings in Ahoskie NC I decided to research public record to see what I could find out about mass animal killings in Ahoskie for 2 years prior to PeTA being arrested and charged with 62 animal abuse felonies. I was shocked at what I discovered.
At least 9 times in 18 months prior to the timeframe where 4 weeks in a row large numbers of dead animals were discovered in one single trash bin, hundreds of animals have been killed and dumped in the same fashion in the same bin. The police never even considered it was PeTA simply because PeTA "rescues animals" (a very large lie).
They had taken photos of the dead animals and decided to give them to all law enforcement including animal control when they started discovering dead animals every week, I even have the police reports. They were identified as animals picked up by PeTA for adoption. When the no-kill shelters discovered that they had potentially surrendered hundreds of animals in hope of exposure to a new area for adoption, they were sick to find all the animals were dead. PeTa told animal control they had to inject the animals to calm them for the ride, they actually had the arrogance to kill the animals in the parking lots of the shelters and hospitals who surrendered the animals for adoption.

I decided I was going to do all in my power to stop this from ever happening again. I have been successful at the State level i.e. Governor and Attorney general as well as having decent luck with the press and wire service nationally, voices have been heard.

I have no problem with you posting my response to you. The Center For Consume Freedom is run by the restaurant and liquor industry, there information about PeTa is 100% provable as I have researched every bit of it. One way to really help a PeTA person see some truth is ask them if what the CCF who is a 9 million dollar a year group is a lie, why does PeTA who is a 29 million dollar a year group not sue them for liable. Fact is PeTA sued California for animated happy cow commercials, if the CCF was lying or slandering them they would have sued them.
The kill statistics that show PeTA killed 90.7% of all animals they took in for "adoption" is available at the Virginia Office of the State Veterinarian Public information link :http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi
The insane add campaigns are on my photo albums here on Care2. Your Mommy Kills Animal & Your Daddy Kills Animals usually shock most parents, and these comics were handed to small children, 6 yr olds.http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/2/8/2886053.jpg
The religious disrespect for Christians comes with the comparison of Jesus Christ to a pighttp://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/2/9/2904845.jpg
For the Jewish community it was Holocaust on Your Plate where PeTA compared the dead in death camps to fried chicken.
I have vested much time in PeTA and their actions/effectiveness. Their ties to domestic terrorism is without a doubt true and very provable. This may be the prime reason PeTA has avoided trial in Ahoskie because if they are convicted of one felony they loose their 501(c) and that would cost them 3 million a year.
I appreciate your concerns about PeTA, after all the killings in Ahoskie and PeTA put up $70,000 in bail (peoples donated money) and provided lawyers Ingrid Newkirk said "the kindest gift you can give an unwanted or unloved animal is euthanasia"; funny most of us would have said a home and caring family.
Here is a link from no kill now and you will find it quite interesting:http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm
Peace Bill

it would be really cool if 20/20 or primetime or one of those widely watched news shows would do an investigative report on peta. i know the news is alot of opinion and bs these days, but i still trust the investigative reports they do for night time specials.im surprised they havent already, does anyone know of one?

No, I don't, but I don't get TV until the leaves fall off the trees again, LOL. Yeah, I'm that far away from the TV towers! My landlord keeps SAYING he's going to hook up my TV to the antenna, but I doubt that will ever happen, since it's been over a year...

Maybe that's what we could do, start emailing Dateline and 20/20 and other shows like that to get some coverage. The trials coming up should be a good impetus for that....

Anyone have any TV news connections?