"trainer"?

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    "trainer"?

    On this other forum I frequent, there is this guy who advertises his services as a dog trainer. But there's something wrong with his posts. Here are a couple:

    Advice to two people whose dogs bite:
    Hit your dog on the snout; use enough force but not too hard. When you hit it, you should hear a scream from the dog. Hitting to correct is different from abusing your dog. The dog will know if you are a good or bad master even if you hit him. Like with kids, they know they made a mistake and you spank them because you want to correct them.

    Advice to someone whose Golden was acting stubborn and bites:
    The easiest way to correct your dog is to say "No!" then hit its snout. Your Golden has a behavior problem. Goldens do not normally bite. That's why they are a play dog because they have no drive to bite. Try getting a new dog instead, be sure it is from a reputable breeder. It's a problem with your dog's breeding. But if the dog has endeared himself to you despite the biting, hit the snout and say "No!" when it bites. Just a slight hit with a little pain. That's what I did to my dogs.
     
    Some odd comments:
    Hot sauce is bad for dogs because it destroys their sniffing power. It induces strokes in dogs, like chocolates.
     
    Is this guy for real? Is he just a horribly old-fashioned trainer -- or an amateur pretending to be one? I'm quite worried. He's very generous with the phrase "behavioral problem" (ie apparently play-biting and dominance [not aggression due to dominance] are behavioral problems) and gives out a LOT of advice  -- and some people believe him and have followed his advice! (Of course, I have contradicted everything he's been saying, but it's frustrating.Angry I couldn't believe he told that poster to "find a new dog"!)
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    That makes me sick.  If he IS a trainer, he is a dangerous one.  If he's not, it's even more dangerous to give advice like that on a public forum.
     
    Hit your dog until it screams?  And that is not abuse?  Give me a break.
     
    Kate
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    people believe alot of the crap that cesar milon spouts as well, many will believe anything someone says, rather than reading a book or finding a good trainer to go and see to have their problem dog evaluated. 
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    Oye!  What a dork.  Gosh if he IS a trainer...yikes!  I can't imagine deliberately inflicting pain on ANY of my dogs.  For him to be spreading this stuff all over the internet is truely frightening.
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    It sounds like that person is not a trainer, but an animal abuser.  If his name is on his profile, and he is a member of any organization, such as APDT or NADOI, please report him.
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    Ack.  Sounds like a guy that is stuck in the dark ages. 
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    I know it's frustrtating, but keep contradicting him! When you can, back it up with links and facts! 
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    Yay! A small victory!
     
    He asked me about what "so-called 'humane'" training methods I use, and I posted stuff about clicker training as well as an article on NILIF (which someone else posted on this forum in another thread), backed by my personal testimonials of course. I also posted a couple of clicker training websites and some good books on dog behavior. Then I mentioned I had a dog who was hand-shy because her previous owner use to hit her lightly with a rolled-up newspaper for housetraining. He said he would give my recommendations a shot! I hope he's serious. I'm glad.
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    He sounds like he's a joke. And, I would be that if I hit Max on the nose, he'd probably try to bite, or would actually bite me. 
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    He could be for real.  I had a trainer from a training center tell me that what he would do with Sally to get her over her timidness with strangers is put and e-collor on her and zap her everytime she tried to get away from a person trying to pet her.
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    He sounds kind of like Leerburg... except for the part where he said he'd give your methods a shot.
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    Who's Leerburg?
     
    Anyway, I kind of doubt he's a trainer because I asked him twice how he became one and he wouldn't answer me. All he said was, "Yes, I'm a trainer. I train K-9 dogs." (I think he meant police or military dogs.) Hmmm...
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    I wonder if this is a person who recently was banned from this forum... >9.9<
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    FYI - Neither Leerburg Kennels nor Cesar Milan advocate hitting a dog on the face!  In fact I have never read or heard either of them hit a dog period!!!!  And, I have watched Leerburg and Milan videos.........................................
     
     
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    I don't really think it's Leerburg, I think it just sounds like him. Maybe it's someone trying to sound like Leerburg. He does work with K9 dogs and... to be fair I'm not familiar enough with him to know if he's changed his methods, but at any rate he still has a bunch of advice up and active on his website that is correction-heavy and quite severe. It's unclear to me how much of it is written by Leerburg and how much by an Ed Frawley who works for him. To teach young puppies to stop nipping the advice is to shake them by the neck "until they scream." At another point he recommends someone "bounce" their beagle off the wall to stop it from getting on the furniture, though honestly I'm not sure whether that was sarcasm or what. I don't know, there's a lot of conflicting advice there, maybe he just needs a new webmaster! [linkhttp://www.leerburg.com/qadominance.htm#articles]http://www.leerburg.com/qadominance.htm#articles[/link]