Alec Baldwin!!!! Bite your tongue!

I saw that this morning, can you say "issues"? poor kid she is going to have some of her own because the way the parents act

I just can't think of anything more wounding to a little girl than to hear something like that from her FATHER!  This is the man who is supposed to protect and defend her little heart, not destroy it. 
 
She's a beautiful little girl.

They just played the whole message on the news, he also calls her a pig and other lovely things. What a nice human being I could care less if he thinks his ex-wife didn't have the kid there for the scheduled call, act like an adult. He must be even more stupid then I thought. Did he think this wouldn't come out?

I think he is mad more because he was not able to take the kid away from the mother for at least one day more than the fact of being or not with the kid, the kid is being used as a "tool" by both against eachother

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I think he is mad more because he was not able to take the kid away from the mother for at least one day more than the fact of being or not with the kid, the kid is being used as a "tool" by both against eachother

 
Yeah, but apparently he blamed the kid for the whole thing.  I just don't think there is any excuse to talk that way to another human being.   More effective methods of communication exist. 

I just don't think there is any excuse to talk that way to another human being.   More effective methods of communication exist. 

I totally agree, especially a child. How a father treats his daughter has a huge effect on future relationships. I wonder how he would feel if a boyfriend spoke to his daughter this way?

I feel bad for Ireland because she seems to have two screwed up parents.  Her mother (or her lawyers) should not have released this tape to the public.  It violates a court order and is in poor taste.  Ireland is old enough to go on the internet and read news stories, so she'll be able to see all these news stories about how horrible her dad is. 
 
Alec seems to have a history of being an abusive guy.  Kim probably has legitimate concerns in wanting to keep him away from their daughter, but they should be resolving this in family court, not the court of public opinion.

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I feel bad for Ireland because she seems to have two screwed up parents.  Her mother (or her lawyers) should not have released this tape to the public.  It violates a court order and is in poor taste.  Ireland is old enough to go on the internet and read news stories, so she'll be able to see all these news stories about how horrible her dad is. 

Alec seems to have a history of being an abusive guy.  Kim probably has legitimate concerns in wanting to keep him away from their daughter, but they should be resolving this in family court, not the court of public opinion.

That's an excellent point.

It is a very hurtful thing, but if she can shield herself from the lifestyle of Hollywood for a while, she'll turn out alright. My dad said some horrible things to me at that age, and I turned out pretty well.

Both parents are severely screwed up............wasn't it Kim that was hanging on the bottle pretty bad?

Let's just hope she doesn't get into a pattern in her life of using men as the barometer of whether or not she is "okay" in the world.  Speaking from personal experience, women who have critical fathers who don't show affection very often tend to gravitate toward men seeking that kind of affirmation from them.  We tend to look for those messages that we're beautiful, sweet, courageous, powerful, whatever - outside of ourselves, and that's a powerless place to live from.  I turned out alright too, but I sure put my husband through a world of crap sometimes because I have dad wounds like this.  That's why his answering machine message really triggered me.

on behalf of the dad..... my husband went through the same thing (scheduled phonecalls twice a week at 6pm with his kid as per court order- she lives too far away for him to visit) her mom made it such a horrible task for the both of them. she would allow this kid to sign up for basket ball practice, knowing it would interfere with the phone calls, and then the kid would get angry at her dad because he wouldnt reschedule to an earlier time. reason being he had to work... she didnt understand that he couldnt be on the phone for thirty minutes at work. He offered to call another day, but no. the court SAID bla bla bla. Her mom and step dad DID turn her into a little punk brat with no consideration for anyone else involved except herself.
No i dont think Baldwin was mature at all for speaking the way he did, but i can understand his torment, BUT he was directing it at the wrong person.
I hate seeing parents using their children as weapons to hurt one another. it quite honestly makes me sick to my stomach because of what i had to witness with my husband and his daughter.... she would get VERY angry because he wouldnt reschedule things the way she wanted, she would call him a liar, say he's always trying to trick her into doing things that she doesnt want to do (and he never has - there were some missed summer vacations due to lack of money- i.e. his ex sued him for a forclosed house and the money for plane tickets and summer fun went out the window) but the kid was never told that information. I had to sit there and listen to her be ugly to him twice a week for thirty minutes.
He never once called her a selfish brat because he knew she was being fed lies by her mom.
So again... i understand this man's pain, but no.... he shouldnt have stooped to their level. He is blaming the kid because she is old enough to not feed into the BS produced by her mom OR dad OR the public. She has a head on her shoulders and a brain in her head, and a heart in her chest. maybe he is stunned that she has taken someone elses side. who knows. we dont live with them. but it looks an awful lot like what my family has gone through.

Wow i just heard the tape and the way he talks to the child is scary, imagine how scary it is for an 11 years old?
 
He needs to realize he is talking to a child and not to an adult, it does not matter who's fault is

I get what you are saying DumDog - but it's one thing to take the outlook your husband has and then NOT lash back at the child.  If Kim is feeding her a bunch of lies, then it's up to Alec to just be whomever it is he needs to be as her father in that relationship and let all that crap go. 
 
I can't imagine that Ireland looks forward to these phone calls with her father if that's the way he talks to her.  I'd avoid his calls too.  There are such a thing as toxic parents.