Only in California??

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    Only in California??

    This was in our local paper a couple of days ago and I think it's cool that someday, instead of writing a huge check every month to PG&E, I might be able to heat my house with dog poop.

    SAN FRANCISCO - In the future, we might be heating our houses with dog poop.
    As San Francisco and other cities strive to reach self-imposed goals of keeping every bit of trash out of landfills by 2020, even animal waste is being scrutinized to see how it might be reused or recycled.

    And so San Francisco has become the first city in the country to consider turning Fido's droppings into methane, which can heat homes, cook meals and generate electricity.

    "Poop power?  Yes, it's possible to produce electricity, natural gas and even fuel from Rover's poop and other waste material," said Robert Reed, a spokesman for Norcal Waste, which carts away the waste San Francisco, San Jose and a dozen other Northern California cities generate.  "There are a lot of bugs to work out, steps to figure out, costs to be considered, but we are beginning to talk to the city about it and look into this area more actively."

    Animal feces make up nearly 4% of San Francisco's residential waste - nearly as much as disposable diapers - so it is a significant stumbling block to cities reaching their landfill goal.

    "American dogs and cats produce 10 million tons of waste a year, and no one knows where it's going," said Will Brinton, a scientist in Mount Vernon, Maine, and one of the world's leading authorities on waste reduction and composting.  "That's really beginning to be looked at as a nightmare."

    Dog and cat waste usually ends up in a landfill, where it's mummified for generations in plastic bags.  If it's not tossed out, it's left where it falls and dissolves into the ground, where it flows untreated into the water table or the bay. Or it's scooped up with yard waste and tossed into the compost bin - which is a no-no, because animal waste is full of pathogens.

    So San Francisco has asked Sunset Scavenger, a subsidiary of Norcal, to find a use for it.  In the next few months, Norcal hopes to place biodegradable bags and dog-waste carts in Duboce Park, one of the city's busiest dog parks.

    The waste will be collected and tossed into a contraption called a methane digester, which is little more than a tank in which bacteria chew on poo for about two weeks to create methane.  The methane can be piped directly to a gas stove, heater, turbine or anything else powered by natural gas.

    The idea isn't so far-fetched.  Several European countries, developing nations elsewhere in the world and a smattering of American dairy farms already convert animal waste into energy.  Strauss Family Creamery in Marin County installed a methane digester in 2000, and it's working great, company officials said.  In a 2004 report prepared for the California Energy Commission, the creamery's manure-to-energy process met or exceeded expectations.  The dairy uses the methane to power the plant, saving Strauss thousands of dollars a month in energy costs.

    There are a few potential glitches, however.  Most households don't produce enough food scraps, animal waste and other organic matter to power an entire home.  And most households don't produce waste at a rate consistent enough to be a reliable energy source.  Another problem is that the gas in the methane digester will probably contain small amounts of other gases, which will diminish the methane's efficiency.

    But with a few technological tweaks, methane digesters could be used in individual homes within the next few years, said Fernando Berton of the State Integrated Waste Management Board.  "You've got solar panels on homes.  Why not home-based anaerobic digestion processers?" he said.



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    I read that article a few weeks ago, I think it was. I think it's a great idea! Up here in Alaska we have more poop than you can ever possibly imagine with all the dog teams!! And most places don't have access to a natural gas line. We all have to use propane. So a way to use dog poop for methane would be super!

    The arctic cold is a problem. Composting toilets don't work so well in permafrost, and certainly don't compost much at -40. But where there's a will, there's a way...
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    Heck, I wonder how much power my crew would generate??  Cool idea!  [8|]
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    Just south of us, somewhere between Stockton and the Grapevine, there are some huge, huge, mega dairies.  Poop is poop - if they add cattle waste to the mix we might never have to pay a big utility bill again.[:D]
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    There's a place on 5(???) that is MILE after MILE of wall to wall cows....and man, you'd better have the window up when you approach cuz it's RIPE.....It's North of whatever hwy you take to get to San Luis Obispo.......
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    Living in New Mexico we were not exactly thrilled with Texas and Texans in general. One week my son and I were going to sell at a Celtic festival in Amarillo. We've driven through there before, there are stockyards close to the town. Many many days the whole town smells like cow poop.

    My son, who was 17 at the time, laid his head back in the car to take a nap as we left Albuquerque.
    "Tell me when we get to Cow Butt, Texas," he said.[:D]
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    That's the place, Glenda. And if you're traveling north/south the only other option is 99, which is a nightmare under the best of conditions. There's probably enough cow poop in that area to provide heat for the entire state.