Puppy Selling

My mom just told me about a story she had heard on the news about some Amish people having puppy mills in PA.  She told me some of the horrible living conditions these pups were in.  It is so sad, but maybe these pups were from an Amish puppy mill.  Apparently it is quite common. 

I just found this site:
[linkhttp://www.pixiedustpapillons.com/amish_puppy_mills.html]http://www.pixiedustpapillons.com/amish_puppy_mills.html[/link]

I just don't understand how people can do this and think that it's ok[&o]

I read about the Amish puppy mills also. I used to buy this hull-less opcorn online from an Amish company in PA. Once I read about the mills, I am now totally boycotting Amish products.

My friend and I had a (loud, but I'm a loud person) arguement the other night about the Amish.

It ended with me saying, "They're PEOPLE. Just don't walk around thinking they're better than anyone else, b/c they're NOT!"

She still doesn't think they'd ever abuse an animal. She's a smidge.... naive.

I, too, have heard about the Amish puppy mills. Just because someone is religious doesn't make them moral. [sm=no no smiley.gif]

I have actually seen two Amish puppy mills in person. (I used to live in PA) My family was going to have the Amish about an hour away from our house build a bar/computer desk and when we saw that they had literally hundreds of dogs in tiny cages and kennels we left (and called SPCA) my parents pride themselves on being responsible breeders and seeing the westies there (i think i was like 12 or 13) I cried the whole way home. Then, a few years back one of my friends was looking for a pup and she'd found what seemed like a great place online and they wanted to just ship her the pup but she wanted to go meet them in person so I went with her (it was somewhere in OH) and the living conditions were horrific. How you can allow any living thing to exist in such squaller is beyond me. (needless to say she didn't buy the puppy)

From the link georgie4682 posted:

"God gave them animals to use as they see fit"

Urrr... that vers has been misused so many times, I can't belive some people actuly use that as an excuse to do that to thoes poor creatures.

to them dogs are just another farm animal, and should be kept as such, and since they don't eat them, many keep them far dirtier, they just keep them for the monitary value nothing else, as soon as they stop producing they will dispose of them

I just sent a long comment to Dog.com.  I wondered why they made no PROMINENT mention of the evils of pet stores which sell puppies...I mentioned the majority of them obtain their "inventories" from puppy mills...how "breed stock" is used and abused, then discarded once they can no longer produce...how rescue organizations are flooded with breeds of all varieties and how so many of them come from impulse buyers of pet store dogs....  I also noted the thousands and thousands of dogs destroyed in shelters for the lack of people even considering saving a dog from them....  Lastly, I asked them why they didn't truly promote spaying/neutering and explain the benefits of such.... 
 
I don't know how much a difference my single letter will make...I wonder if hundreds of letters from their customers might prompt them to be more proactive in protecting their end-consumers....

Amish people see dogs as no different from livestock- to be used for human profit with no regard to their happiness or well being. I think it's incredibly sad. [] 
 
Of course I ALSO think it's terrible the way feed animals in this country are treated. Veal comes from baby cows that spend their ENTIRE life in a wooden crate so small they can barely move. Then you have chickens who have their beaks seared off as chicks and are crammed in tiny metal cages in huge warehouse type buildings. Dairy cows are forced to become pregnant over and over and over so they can produce milk for us. I really have got to make the commitment to become vegetarian....

Did you also send such comments to Drs Foster and Smith, J&J Pets, Revival Animal, etc, etc, etc? If not, why would you single out dog.com?  Dog.com happens to own a pet supply company.  They also happen to generously allow us to have our forum, which they have NOT owned forever.  They were dog outfitters or something else, bought the NAME and idog was part of the package.  Sure, they get the benefit of new customers now and then from the forum, but many of us are older folks who don't order much online or even through the mail.....so many of us haven't given them one thin dime, but they haven't booted us off the forum.  Instead, they upgraded the format, PAY people to take care of the forum and everyone that I've talked to from dog.com are major animal lovers, devoted to the good of animals.  Why should dog.com, as a business, be MORE obligated than any other business, to fight byb and puppy millers?  Dog.com is physically located in PA and maybe they would rather NOT have their business burned to the ground by ticking off some of the wrong folks?
 
I am absolutely certain that Joel and Jaime and Greg are fully aware of exactly how the stock comes into the pet stores, and I know for a fact that Jaime works tirelessly in public education.  Don't you think living where they live they too are heartbroken about the puppy mills?  Why is it their responsibility to take on the LIABILITY of trying to shut down puppy millers?
 
And, my goodness, why is it the job of a pet supply business to promote spay/nueter??  My VET doesn't even mention it.  Maybe the American public needs to pull their heads out of their butts and stop expecting the rest of the world to tell them how to raise their animals, when to sputeter, etc.    Maybe if we all stopped behaving like sociopaths who want what we want when we want it, stopped BUYING from pet stores and bybs this wouldn't be an issue.  Maybe if we weren't such a throw away society where what we want now becomes what we need to get rid of tommorow, shelters wouldn't be overflowing with animals waiting to die for lack of homes.
 
But, I'm sorry, I don't see this as the job of dog.com or any other online vendor.

Oh wow...why single out dog.com?  Makes no sense.  They sponsor this forum that we participate in, and we in turn try to educate on responsible ownership, spay/neuter, good nutrition, puppy mill evils etc.  Doesn't that mean that dog.com IS in fact supporting these issues?

I'd say so, Marty. Anyone who has been on this forum any length of time at all has probably learned a tremendous amount about responsible ownership, puppy mills, nutrition, etc.  And that knowledge can certainly be passed on.
BTW - Great post, Glenda. [sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]

Joyce

Yes, the amish do sell puppies and they are puppy millers.  check out
[linkhttp://www.prisonersofgreed.org]http://www.prisonersofgreed.org[/link] if you don't believe me.

the Amish people view animals in an entirely different light - cats, dogs, cattle, etc., are simply livestock to them. A means of making/earning/keeping a living.
They have some of the largest puppy mill operations known.