Dog Parks or other activity ideas?

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    Dog Parks or other activity ideas?

     Good morning all.  Rainy day here in Texas but much needed.

    For the past 3 years, I've had my dog Circle in agility training.  We trialed a little, however, we mainly attended weekly classes and/or attended fun runs.  Whatever we did, we were on the go 2-3 days a weeks on average.  He loved it.  Additionally, I always took him to any activity offered in the Dallas area such as SPCA or Operation Kindness events, charity walks that allowed dogs, etc.  I dropped out of agility early March for several reasons but mainly due to a health issue of my own. 

    Circle is an exceedingly social animal and I've come to believe, thrives being around other people/animals/activities.  I honestly think he is now depressed with the reduction in activity.  He lays around and sleeps all day.  He shows some enthusiasm when we go for our evening walk and especially when I take him somewhere in the car (Petco, PetsMart or even to the grocery store to wait in car), but that's about it.  Otherwise...blah. Follows me room to room throughout the day but just plops down.  Thing is, he used to aggravate the dickens out of me...pester, pester, pester!  Into anything and everything.  Now nothing.  

    I've not taken him to dog parks and such due to health and physical injury risks.  My vet once commented on the number of dogs he had "put back together" after altercations at dog parks.  Scared me.  Now I'm wondering, tho', what others might think of that social activity.  Any experiences or thoughts on dog parks?  Good or bad?  And certainly, absolutely ANY ideas for increasing socialization would be tremendously appreciated.  Or any thoughts/ideas on anything.  I'm at a loss.  And concerned.   Health wise, he's in good shape per vet.  Thanks! - Susan

     

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    I'm never a dog park fan for MANY reasons.

     However -- my husband and I are also very involved in pet-assisted therapy.  Typically it's good to start at nursing home type places.  You usually don't have to have any sort of certification -- but the dog goes and gets loved on by the residents.  I often take a bunch of little baggies with treats (just a few treats in each bag) because some of the residents dearly LOVE to give them treats (and occasionally they don't want to give up the bag, so if I have just a few treats per bag then it's no big deal if Mrs. Schmuckatella wants to give them ALL in the bag!!).

    Luna and Tinkerbell go monthly to Give Kids the World -- it's a wish-granting organization (they work with Make a Wish) for critically ill/terminally ill children.  We've been doing this about 10 years and my dogs LIVE for this.  "Going to see the Kids" is the high point of their month.

    There are scads of places that LOVE to have dogs visit.  It can truly put heart back in an animal.  And if you want to go for certification that's fun.  You start with the AKC's "CGC -- Canine Good Citizen" certificate.  There are several good certifying organizations.

     "certification" and alliance with a group puts insurance on YOU (in case, Heaven forbid, something should occur -- it covers you for liability).  But with Certification comes things like being able to visit hospitals, etc.

    This is low risk for the dog -- it's not physically intense - it's SOCIALLY intense.  It's really about the dog's interaction with the people.  I've often described us as "Just a car!!" -- you're there to see no one gets jumped on, and that the dog doesn't get over-tired or over-heated.  But the good you wind up doing is immeasurable.  I could tell you stories all day long about wonderful things we've seen in pet therapy.

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    I don't think dog parks are a good idea.  Lots of people love them and never have a bad experience but to me there are too many unknowns that might make for a very bad experience. 

    You might look for a Meetup group in your area.  They've got groups for just about every interest you can imagine, including dogs. :)  I'd probably go without my dog the first time or two just to see what the people and their dogs were like.  But I guess some would consider that rude. *shrugs*

    You might also contact some people you know from your agility classes for play dates with their dogs if you know they are stable and get along well with your dog.  You could take turns going to each other's houses or just meet for a long walk with the dogs.

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     I don't take my dogs to a dog park unless we're the only ones there. You just can't trust the other people to actually have control of their dogs. We do a few meetup (look on meetup.com for one in your area, if there's nothing, you can start one of your own) groups. I don't even like one of these because there are people who let their dogs off leash and have no control of them. Luke also does pet therapy once a week at a nursing home across the street from the house. He loves it. It's not socialization with dogs, but honestly, he doesn't really care much about that. He's more of a people dog anyway. We also do Flyball classes, and we're training with a team. You could try meeting up with people from your class that you know your dog gets along with and who have control of their dogs, or you might want to try out new and different types of classes.

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     Everything I was going to say has been covered:

     

    - dog parks are high risk areas

    - have you considered pet assisted therapy?

    - have you checked on www.meetup.com for a dog group?

     

    If you aren't able to do Agility, could you do Rally O?  (If you have a knee issue, Rally would be alright for you).  

    Do any of the dog facilities near you have play times?  One near me has Saturday morning plays.

    I went to that, and a few Meet Ups, and from this developed a group of about 18 of us with dogs who play well together.  We now do back yard play dates, my yard and another woman, we take turns hosting.  Actually she does many more than me, ha haaa.

    I also take my dogs on visits to the local senior center, every one enjoys these trips, my pups, the seniors, etc.  A bandanna is all you need, no fancy costume, everyone just oohs and aahs over your pup~!  LOL

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    Thank you, everyone, for your thoughts and ideas.  I think you nailed it, calliecritturs, with your comment, "It can truly put heart back in an animal."  That's what he's missing - heart.  It seems he's lost his joy.

    I had thought about pet therapy types of things but wasn't certain given Circle's propensity for *enthusiasm.*  He doesn't have a mean bone in his body, but can become a bit too exuberant when he's getting lots of attention.  He knows all his commands - sit, down, stay, etc., and especially if cookies are involved when commands are delivered - so perhaps if I got him involved in the CGC classes we might be able to do something along the lines of senior visits.   I also like the idea of meet-up groups.  Certainly in the DFW area I could find one we might enjoy. 

    I've tried and tried without success to post photos.  Don't know why I can't but it won't work.  Therefore, I've rounded up a couple of links to some of our agility runs so those of you interested might be able to take a look.  I hope this is OK and not against rules.  If so, let me know and I will remove ASAP.  You can see from these videos...he's kind of a big, lanky thing.  :)  If you look at the pairs video, Circle and I ran first. I never had much to brag about in agility but we did come in first and Q'd on that run!  LOL  - Susan

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    He clearly was enjoying himself!  Big Smile  Hope you can find an activity you can both do.  Flyball might be a good option as the handler really doesn't have much to do that is physically taxing. 

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     Hi Jackie!  And yes, he definitely did enjoy himself!  Most people loved watching us compete and/or competing against us because they knew they would see a fun loving dog that really offered no competition!  LOL  But that is actually the greatest part of my concern now...from the day I brought him home, Circle has lived to enjoy life.  Now, tho', he just doesn't seem to have enthusiasm for much of anything. 

    I took him for a long walk in an open field bordered by woods earlier - a place he could run free off leash.  He did all the normal dog stuff but still...not the same.  I would think he is just getting older, but gosh!  Such a difference in just a few months time. 

    Anyway...I don't know why all that other info showed up in those links I posted but I'm glad you could at least see him.  Now y'all will know I really do have a dog!  Big Smile  - Susan

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    The good thing about visiting seniors is you can use the food! Lol. My lab LOVED to visit but sadly she's not very dog friendly so we don't visit anymore. Rally O is a very good suggestion. Maze and I did it and she's got a bad heart and my bad knees. Hehehee
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    SusanB
    I would think he is just getting older, but gosh!  Such a difference in just a few months time.

    I'm sorry if you already said and I missed it but how old is Circle?    Perhaps he is feeling his age and what you are seeing is normal for his age.  Is it possible that you're projecting some of your feelings about having to give up agility onto him and that is coloring your perceptions of how he feels? Just a thought.  When I stopped retriever training, I missed getting together with those dog friends at events and  though it was the right decision for me, it did affect me.

     I think you said he'd been in for a vet check.  Sorry if I missed it but did they do a full blood panel including thyroid? 

     Have you done any clicker training?  Maybe "100 things to do with a box" would be fun for both of you. He enjoys doing something with you and this and other tricks can be a lot of fun.   http://www.clickertraining.com/node/167

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    JackieG
    I'm sorry if you already said and I missed it but how old is Circle?    Perhaps he is feeling his age and what you are seeing is normal for his age.  Is it possible that you're projecting some of your feelings about having to give up agility onto him and that is coloring your perceptions of how he feels? Just a thought.  When I stopped retriever training, I missed getting together with those dog friends at events and  though it was the right decision for me, it did affect me.

    Jackie I'm glad you said that ...

    Honestly there is a pet therapy situation for almost any dog who likes people.  And it's all in how YOU do it.  I have a friend who does pet therapy and she almost has her dog do more "tricks" than person to person stuff.

    But -- I'd encourage you to TRY it.  Simply because an interesting thing happens.  When faced with this WHOLE ROOM FULL of elderly folks some dogs tend to just plain "get it". 

    MUCH of it is how you handle it -- teaching a "gentle" command is good.  And insisting they MUST sit and STAY in a "sit" to get petted helps. 

    How they are with elderly people and how they are with kids can be two different things.    And this IS trainable. 

    It's something you have to investigate.  and you *manage* it -- you don't just take the dog in, sit down and start talking to someone and ignore your dog.  You **MANAGE** this.  You know your dog -- you can *see* if they are about to break and do something they ought not. 

     I deliberately use some funny commands -- like "four on the floor" means NO JUMPING.  And mine know they are only allowed to give kisses when ASKED for them.

    Tink can act like she's shot out of a cannon most of the time -- she's four and acts like 4 months sometimes.  BUT -- in pet therapy?  Particularly when she is approached by a child who is very ill?  SPLAT - she will flatten herself on the concrete on her belly!!!

     That's her own little "work around" because we were continually reminding her to "sit" 75,000 time in an hour -- no matter how excited you get you MUST sit to be petted. 

    After about the third family the FIRST day she was at Give Kids the World -- suddenly she HURLED herself flat on the concrete.  It makes sense.  When she's in a "sit" those powerful little puggie back lets want to LAUNCH her into space to jump.  And if you are on your belly -- you won't "jump" so easily. 

     That was HER -- she taught herself that 'command' all on her own!!!  Cos she "gets it" that these kids may be rambunctious and want to play BUT OFTEN they are very very very sick.  She can smell that.  She can smell the drugs, too.

    I have seen the very sick ones sit down next to her and she will just splat herself on the ground and suddenly she's this quiet, completely under control -- you'd think she was the most "calm" dog ever.  But she judges a lot herself -- THIS child is delicate -- she/he needs ME to just sit here.

    Both Luna and Tink -- we keep heavy control on them (these kids can be fragile and I don't want anyone getting hurt) but it never ceases to amaze us how often that "thing" just clicks between a child and one of the dogs. 

    It happens with the elderly too -- I've done tons of work with Alzheimer's patients -- and one day this woman reached down to pet my dog, and she started to go on and on about what a sweet boy he was, and he reminded her of a dog she'd had as a child. 

    I looked up and the Dir. of Nurses was standing there dumbstruck.  He pulled me aside and said "I've been here longer than she has -- and in the THREE YEARS I've known Jean, she has never uttered even ONE word.  And there she was talking over old times with your dog.  THAT is what pet therapy is about Ms. Kennedy!!"

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     Jackie,  Circle is about 6 years old this month, we think.  He was a SPCA dog so we don't really know for sure.  In February 2007 one vet said he was about a year.  In June 2007 a different vet said he was about a year at that time.  All of his blood work was fine including the thyroid test. 

    You may very well be correct in projection of my feelings re:  agility training.  I seriously miss it!  That, combined with the huge amount of on-the-go activity we always had going on, might have something to do with his current behavior.  2-3 evenings each week we were on the field either in class or just practice.  Weekends we either went to a trial/fun run or out to the field for practice so his schedule was busy.  Shoot!  I'm bored now.  Guess he might be, too. 

    The other thing that concerns me is that I began his home cooking around about February/March.  I really believe it meets all the standards for nutrients - I've tweaked things here and there but all in all, very nutritious.  No weight gain or loss.  And he looks fantastic.  Even this evening - we went to Petco and the employees that have known him since almost day one were talking about how great he looks and feels. 

    We were heavy into clicker training when we started agility.  (Funny aside:  we were in Petsmart last night and they were conducting a training class with clickers.  We were a couple of aisles over.  Nonetheless, each time he heard a clicker he would immediately sit! and look at me.  Looking for a treat, I'm sure.)  I will definitely look at the link you provided.  It might be fun to start teaching him new things.  -  Susan

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    "Honestly there is a pet therapy situation for almost any dog who likes people.  And it's all in how YOU do it.  I have a friend who does pet therapy and she almost has her dog do more "tricks" than person to person stuff."

    I was thinking about pet therapy and/or the senior home visits when we went up to Petco this evening.  It just might work for him.  In the store, he went up to every person there - employee, customer, children - and sort of rubbed up next to them looking for pets.  He's actually rather gentle and loves nothing more than attention and pets. 

    Y'all have given me some great ideas - therapy dog, Rally Obedience, fly ball, clicker stuff.  I really appreciate it.  There is a Senior/Assisted Living apartment complex opening in a couple of months literally 0.2 mile from my garage.  That might be a great place to initiate him.   He's just such a great dog and I want him to be happy, happy, happy!  - Susan

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    pet-assisted therapy runs the gamut -- it can be as intense or not ... whatever you want.  Each dog is unique -- that's where it really hits ME.  I love doing what **THIS** dog is good at.  Now we may all go to a particular facility because we've committed to it -- but I also try hard to get each dog into what particularly seems to be their 'thing'. 

    Some people take a very training-oriented view -- I want to do this, and I will train this dog to do it.  And honestly there's nothing wrong with that.  WE are all individuals too.

    But my heart has always been with maximizing each dog's life.  And frankly, I've had such unique dogs it has probably cemented that.  Muffin the Intrepid was deaf ... AND a mega survivor of many illnesses, including cancer.  He was the most 'driven' dog in pet therapy I will ever know probably -- he loved it ALL -- kids, the elderly, deaf kids/people, hospitals.

    But I've had dogs who made an incredible connection with the elderly -- and kids weren't really their all in all.  Lil Miss Kee Shu loved BABIES.  And I mean the littler the better.  And ... she was a PEKE!!  Now think about that one -- how WEIRD was that?  Not a dog I've ever even thot about training for pet therapy usually.  But Kee came to us this broken little ball of fluff and once we got the medical stuff cleared away there was this inciredibly rock solid, bomb-proof little dog who LOVED children.  "go ahead -- you can stick your finger in my nose!!!  I can kiss your other fingers while you do that!!  It's OK!!"

    I warned my husband back when we were first married and he just went "with" me when I did pet therapy.  I told him if he ever did it WITH me he'd be addicted.  And he is.  But David has a special affinity for handicapped children (which I think totally flabbergasted HIM). 

    Just don't assume it's one thing or another -- It truly can be whatever YOU can do. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Teaching Circle some new tricks might also be fun

    Luke has a trick dog title, and we're working on a few new tricks right now. 

    http://domorewithyourdog.com/pages/trickdogtitle.html

    Once he gets good at some more of his cooler tricks, we can of course perform them during pet therapy. 

    This Youtube channel is good for  ideas and how to train some things

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kikopup/videos

    This is another good channel 

    http://www.youtube.com/user/pamelamarxsen

    Luke is currently learning several things tricks. He's learning roll over, weave through my legs while I walk, a hand stand, and a few rally commands. I haven't decided if he'll ever compete, probably not any time soon, but we're doing it anyway. We're also working on something that I have no clue what it will be. Right now, I'm just having him touch a target stick up as high as he can reach. Maybe it will only be that, and he'll just do some work on his back leg muscles, or maybe we'll turn it into something. Callie is going to start working on ringing the door bell.  When I take them both out somewhere, and I have all the gear, both dogs, I can't take both of them and the stuff. She also just desperately wants to get in the house. So, I'm going to teach her to go and ring the bell so my mom will open it for us.

    I had initially intended for Luke to do pet therapy in a school, but that didn't work out. So, we went to the nursing home that is walking distance from the house. It's kinda cool for me, because when I went to elementary school, they used to walk us over there in our Halloween costumes, and to sing holiday songs, and they would always bring some residents over to watch our school plays. Luke's been going about once a week for almost 4 months now. Within the past few weeks, I am really starting to know that he loves it. Last week, he started to cry when we got near the building. It's the same kind of cry he does in Flyball class when they are taking too long to set up. He's also been scared of the linoleum floors, and in the past few weeks, he has been just walking on those floors with no problems at all. Up till then, he has sat by the doors, and I have carried him into the rooms. I still have to pick him up to see people in wheelchairs because he's so small, but he will go in on his own now.