Need advice on new dog daycare...

    • Gold Top Dog

    Need advice on new dog daycare...

    I need some advice from all of you city dwellers out there...
     
    I am expanding my business and I am opening a new dog daycare in downtown Cincinnati (the location is awesome).  I have several already, but they are out in the suburbs.  The city situation poses new problems for me.  All of my facilities have large outdoor space for the daycare dogs to play outside.  This space is also used for the dogs to relieve themselves.  The new location will NOT have any outdoor space at all. 
     
    What have you all seen in city based daycares (daycares that have no outdoor space) for the dogs to go the bathroom.  I found one location in NY that is like five floors right in the middle of the city.  They do several hundred dogs per day.  Do they just allow the dogs to go on the floor and mop up behind them?
     
    I was thinking maybe installing some easy to clean AstroTurf or something. 
     
    Does anyone have any experience we these types of facility's.  How do they handle the excrement situation?
     
    Thanks!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't have any experience but just thinking about it, could you maybe do rubber mats that could be mopped/cleaned daily?  I think the smell would be the worst part, so really good air filtration would be handy!

    Some other thougths I've had about indoor plumbing for dogs.  Gosh it'd be nice if they could learn to flush!  lol.. but what about putting a drain in the floor with the floor sloping to the drain?  Then just hose it down at the end of the day.

    Good luck!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks for the input.  I am really not worried about the clean up.  The products these days take care of all that.  The flooring (rubber matting) is designed to come clean of any pet excrement. 
     
    What I am worried about is messing up the potty training.  It they get in the habit of going in the play area, I'm afraid they may head home and pee when they play in the house.
    • Gold Top Dog
    There's an indoors dog daycare where I'm at and they have what look like gigantic puzzle pieces as the flooring. I don't know what Astroturf is so maybe that's what they use. They mop up the mess and keep the windows open or the fans going. It doesn't ever smell bad, just smells like a bunch of dogs.
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    Are the puzzle pieces designated for the dogs to go the bathroom on. 
     
    AstroTurf is just the fake grass the use on football fields.
    • Gold Top Dog
    The puzzle pieces are the actual floor. When you walk in, you're walking on gigantic puzzle pieces. Thick, foam type puzzle pieces. I wish I could descibe it better. The entire floor is covered with this stuff and the dogs can go potty anywhere, but it's always cleaned up right away and the place never seems to smell.
    • Gold Top Dog
    It feels similar to rubber when you walk on it, but looking at it you know that it's not rubber. They are literally puzzle pieces. It makes the placfe look cute too because there are paw prints painted all over it.
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    I understand.  It is similar to the foam that we use.  Have you had any issues with accidents at home?  I am afraid they are going to transfer the idea of going during playtime at daycare to going at home during playtime.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Mick,
    I help out @ a daycare where we have indoor & outdoor facilities.  We try to keep the dogs outside more than inside.  The dogs seem to be MUCH happier outside.  That being said, what we do when the dogs are inside is basically once a dog pees/poos we're right there to pick it up/clean it up.  We've tried several different floorings.  What seems to work the best so far is painting the floor with floor paint.  Rubber mats tend to get chewed as would astro turf.  Dogs are dogs & will chew.  The rubber matting tends to get ripped up by their nails.  The ones that are multicolored & put together like puzzles are nice & colorful but...They tend to get all ripped up from the dogs's nails & if they happen to pee right at the joint, no matter how fast you are with the mop, pee will leak through the joints.  My suggestion is the painted floor with good drainage so you can mop up during the day when the dogs are there & they you can hose it down easily at night.
     
    BTW: OT how's the kitty hotel coming?
    • Gold Top Dog
    The Kitty hotel is coming along nicely.  It is finished, and we are in the marketing stage of things. 
     
    We currently have 5 dog daycares, and all of those have outdoor access (dogs regularly go outside, and almost never have accidents).  This new one will not have any out door space.  It is in the center of downtown. We use a rubber flooring specially designed for dogs.  So it's easy to clean, and durable.  I just hate forcing the dogs to go the bathroom inside.  I am afraid we may cause behavior problems.
    • Gold Top Dog
    You know what?  I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure that there have been no behavior problems like that that have been reported to us.  I can poll our clients tomorrow.  Actually, I've seen more positives come out of my daycare than negatives.  My favorite is the girl who was quite shy when she first showed up.  She'd sit in the corner & cower whenever another dog came close to her.  She's now a confident dog.  She iniates play, walks around daycare with tons of confidence & is just a happier pup.  I call her the miracle pup.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Can you create a potty area within the the big room.... even if the flooring is the same... so the dogs still associate having an area to potty vs. not potty.  Maybe there could be a door to it and set it up as if it is outdoors... paint floor green, sky blue, put flowers or something.  You could even do a doggie door to it for dogs used to that.  Just an idea...
    • Gold Top Dog
    Hi Mic, those that I've been too have had a similar set up as an indoor dog show (think Westminster).  They have a designated elimation area, usually sectioned off with partial wire fencing (so it really feels like a separate area to the dogs, even though it's just in the corner).  Anyway, this area has shavings on the floor and a "marking" post or two.  It doesn't seem to take very long for the dogs to understand that this is the potty spot.   They seem to train each other, if you know what I mean.  The new ones see the others going there, so they follow suit.  Accidents are generally only made by those that are not potty trained to begin with.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Mic:
     
    I have taken Pofi to Downtown Dogs in the heart of downtown Minneapolis.  They have a website - you can google them.  By they time I started using their services, they had gotten a variance from the city that allows them a very small enclosed (fenced) space in the parking lot off the dock entrance of the building, but they got along without it previously.  There is a dog door to this area and on nicer days there is a human sized door that is open to the space. But mostly, the dogs are in 7k square feet covered with that interlocking rubber type covering.  I assumed it was anti-microbial or resistant, but if you watch their web cams, there is constant mopping for the dogs who relieve indoors and then, during nap time when all are kenneled, they break out this mini Zamboni looking floor cleaner and do the whole space. 
     
    And, even with dogs breaking from their routines and relieving indoors, it had no impact on Pofi's house training and has not on any of the other dogs I know who have gone for day care there (several).
     
    Good luck!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks for all the input.  You guys are great as always. 
     
    We were planning on designing a separate in door potty area, and trying to make it look like the outside (at least to the owners). 
     
    What kind of chips do they use on the floor around the marking post.  Is it just wood chips, or some kind of litter? 
     
    Thanks again.