Anybody ever hear of this maniac

That makes me incredibly sad.... 

WOW. When I read some of the guy's responses, my jaw DROPPED. [] His answer to any sort of aggression is to literally beat the crap out of your dog. That guy obviously has a lot of anger and a few loose screws. [&o]
 
"Hello,
While researching the effects that neutering may have on my 6 month old ACD, I came upon your page. In your response to a question regarding a Shit-zu that bit a 1.5 year old girl on the lip, you said, "...if the dog even growls at the baby it needs to have its but corrected so hard that it thinks it is going to die."
I fully understand that a dog must know it is absolutely the lowest member of the pack. But your response seems to suggest hitting the dog. Why would you EVER tell someone to do this? If an owner were to "correct" (beat) their dog "So hard it thinks it's going to die," it would do far more to destroy the trust the dog has in the owner than it would to correct the dogs action!
I hope that it was only a poor use of wording on your part, and that you weren't implying the owner hit the dog. If this is the case you have to be more careful dispensing information to people who may take it quite literally.
Sincerely,
Dugan O'Keene
ANSWER:
Pull your head out of your ass. If a dog even growls at a child much less bites it in the face I would correct the SOB so hard its balls would shrink to the size of raisins. So are you asking me if I would hit a dog? The answer is I would beat it like a wet rag if it bit a child in my presence. This dog would remember that moment of that day for the rest of its GOD DAMN life (kind of like how I remember where I was the day Kennedy got shot), and with a little luck it would never bite another child.
So when your head comes out of your ass and you clear your brain - which I doubt will ever happen - you should go to see some photos of kids that have been bit in the face by a dog. In fact I would ask the people who read this response to send me photos of kids that have been dog bit - so people like you know how serious this issue is."

I know it freaked me out! and he is breeding and training Good God!

Poeple with this attitude make me made. Someone needs to knock some sense into him and see how he likes it.
 
There is NO way on this earth I would let this idiot near my dog.

I think I've read some of this guy's stuff.  I believe he advocates "hanging" a dog, too.  My stomach just turns when I even think about it...

Well, he comes off fairly reasonably in his "Philosophy of Dog Training" page, but he has some really stupid ideas, too. He belittles "yank and crank" trainers, but advocates prong collars right and left. I read a bunch of his forum entries and he pretty much tells everyone that they can't train their dog and they should just take them to the shelter. [:@] All the Petsmart trainers are idiots, according to him (they are incredibly variable, I think, rather than all idiots) but of course he thinks that because what he wants to do is sell you one of his 120 training DVDs.

I also noticed that he thinks some dogs have "weak nerves" which makes them prone to become fear biters. Right.

Wow, charming. Nice language, too.
 
Here's another bit of his advice regarding a dog aggressive dog -
 
This is not rocket science. Here is the concept that EVERY DOG understands. The level of aggression that the handler uses to correct the dog when the dog becomes aggressive needs to be higher than the level of aggression that the dog shows. If you do not or cannot do this then the dog learns nothing and it wins.
 
And he's not only an animal abuser, he's a woman hater too. This is his bonus advice given because the guy's girlfriend loved the dog too much to put him down (but didn't personally want to take him to obedience classes, and btw it was the guy's dog) -
 
Get a new girlfriend - she sounds like an airhead. Don't kid yourself that
she will magically develop common sense with the addition of a wedding ring.

[:@][:@]
 
I wanna beat HIM like a wet rag and make HIS balls shrink up to the size of raisens....put a beating on him that he'll remember like I remember the day JFK died.
 
So?  Somebuddy HOLD him for me so I can do all of the above?

I know this guy comes off as someone overdosed on a combination of steroids and testosterone, but what would you do if your dog bit a child in the face?

My step daughter has a huge red hound that she rescued and, in the middle of bending down over the dog while the dog was working on a bone, the dog bit her nose.  She was just this side of needing stitches.  What if that would have been a 4 year old reaching over to pet the dog?

I sent her Susan Garret's book called "Ruff Love" and told her that she has to stick to rules that regulate this dogs behavior - bu is that enough?

WOW was my response.  Not only does he have awful advice, but his word choice is completely unprofessional.  Hopefully people will see that and realize his advice is as awful.

who the heck writes these articles? and i hope no one actually listens to him because all he advises on agression is beat 'em and give them away. he doesnt actually solve these peoples problems.
 
I stopped reading on one of the articles where he got all dog prejudice saying chows and pitys in general are agressive and that this pertsons pup is agressive because it is a chow mix! talk about ignorance!
 
If this guy is a breeder/trainer does he have another site? I would love to see what kind of dogs this person throws out. I feel sorry for them!

ORIGINAL: diane303

I know this guy comes off as someone overdosed on a combination of steroids and testosterone, but what would you do if your dog bit a child in the face?

My step daughter has a huge red hound that she rescued and, in the middle of bending down over the dog while the dog was working on a bone, the dog bit her nose.  She was just this side of needing stitches.  What if that would have been a 4 year old reaching over to pet the dog?

I sent her Susan Garret's book called "Ruff Love" and told her that she has to stick to rules that regulate this dogs behavior - bu is that enough?

It sounds to me like the hound was resource guarding his bone. Bones are high-value items to dogs. So what I would recommend to her is train the dog not to resource guard, and in the meantime don't bend over the dog while he's chewing a bone (or better yet, don't let him have high-value items 'til he learns this).  Don't let children near the dog while he's eating.  Learn the signs that he is going to guard something and respect that until she has completely taught him not to guard.

Here's Lauri S's plan for eliminating resource-guarding. It really works.

  Here's the approach I use with my fosters when they get food protective. I want them to learn that me approaching them while they have food is a GOOD thing. And this method has worked the best for me so far.

I give them a recreational bone and let them get started on it. I have a container filled with small chunks of raw meat. As the dog is actively chewing on their bone I walk BY them - not straight at them and no stopping - just walk past them. As I walk past I say "Hi Puppy - is that a good bone?" in a happy voice and drop a piece of the raw meat right at their feet. Keep going (don't stop) and then let them be for a minute or two.

#1 most important thing - NOBODY, human nor canine, likes to be 'bothered' while they are eating. Pester me enough while I'm enjoying my steak and *I'LL* snap at you!

Ok, so back to the dog. You keep up the walk past and drop raw meat for a few more passes. By now the dog should be actively looking up as you approach. After all - you walk by and manna falls from your hands!

Once the dog is actively looking up at you, you can stop in front of them, talk to them for a second and then drop the meat and move on.

How quickly you move from step to step will all depend on the dog. You want to avoid ANY confrontation at this point. If the dog growls at any point - you went too fast to the next step. Go back and work more on the previous step.

So - here's the steps.

Step 1 - walk past, no stopping, drop meat and keep going
Step 2 - walk up (again, not straight AT the dog), stop, drop meat and then move on
Step 3 - walk up, stop, bend down, drop meat, keep going (in this step you get closer to the object being guarded)
Step 4 - walk up, bend down, place meat NEXT TO the bone while talking in happy voice, get up and move on
Step 5 - walk up (at this point you can walk straight at the dog), bend down, take hold of the bone with one hand while you offer the dog the meat with the other hand, release the bone, get up and move on
Step 6 - same as above only this time you will pick up the bone and then give it back to the dog AFTER you give them the meat
Step 7 - same - but now you pick up the bone, give the meat, hold the bone for a moment and then give it back and move on
Step 8 - Pick up the bone, take a step away, step back and give the bone back and give the meat

Notice how by the end you are giving the meat AFTER you get the bone - that's important. You have transitioned the dog from getting treated for nothing (in the dogs mind) to getting treated for NOT guarding the bone.

Now, once you get to this point you can incorporate the NILIF program - asking the dog to do something in order to get the bone back.

To me, this is the most non-confrontational method of TEACHING a dog that they do not NEED to guard their resources.

Now, if my dogs - who all know this and have no problems with me taking things from them - suddenly decided to guard something, it would be a whole different matter. THAT would call for a Glenda Lee 'HAB' approach. But for dogs getting their first taste of raw bones - I work with them instead of HAB'ing them.

(My note: I can't remember what "HAB" means. Something like "hard-a$$ b****??")

ORIGINAL: diane303
I know this guy comes off as someone overdosed on a combination of steroids and testosterone, but what would you do if your dog bit a child in the face?
My step daughter has a huge red hound that she rescued and, in the middle of bending down over the dog while the dog was working on a bone, the dog bit her nose.  She was just this side of needing stitches.  What if that would have been a 4 year old reaching over to pet the dog? I sent her Susan Garret's book called "Ruff Love" and told her that she has to stick to rules that regulate this dogs behavior - bu is that enough?

 
Well, to be honest your step daughter never should have done that with a new dog whose temperament she didn't know yet - the dog is clearly a resource guarder. And to answer your hypothetical question, I would never in a million years allow a 4 year old to approach a new dog while he was eating a bone. It's about prevention, not about what to do after something terrible has happened. Kids should be supervised very closely with dogs, and I probably wouldn't even let a child near a dog that I had just adopted if I knew nothing about his temperament yet.
 
The reason kids are usually bit in the face is not because dogs are viciously going for their faces, but because they're that low to the ground. I think there's a tendency, even among some dog owners, to demonize dogs for biting kids as though the dog is supposed to recognize our human taboos against injuring children, and breaking that taboo proves malicious intent. I'm not saying that dog bites aren't serious, but one can only deal with it productively by through reason and training, not emotion and violence.
 
 

wow, i actually find this guy very, very offensive.  he claims to be an advocate for dogs, not people.  If i was a dog, i would not want someone like him to advocate for me in any way, shape or form.