UPset and venting

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    UPset and venting

    Echo has been SUCH an incredible handful today. She seems to need way more exercise than I can provide her.  She has taken to door bolting again and then plays keepaway if I can get 10' away from her she will dash off several houses away (and the houses are on 1/2 acre or more here).    Then she plowed into a 1 yr old little girl on the concrete (while trying to catch her) and she's blowing off her recalls again, which we were working very hard on (and up till today, succeeding at).

    She just now went wild and crazy and slammed so hard into my wrist, which slammed into my  chest that I lost my breath!!  Grrr.  Puppies!

    ONce I finally did catch her, I was so upset that I just put her in a crate for a while.

    I guess I'm just venting but this puppyhood has been awfully hard on me! :(

     

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     Sounds like she needs to wear a leash 24/7.

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    tiffy

     Sounds like she needs to wear a leash 24/7.

     

    or teach her to run to her crate when she hears the doorbell maybe? Something as an alternative to running out the door when you open it.

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    I know you prob know this but you would have been better off not putting her in her crate right away and instead giving her a kong filled with something. That gets her out of your hair so you can calm down and rewards her for being home
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    Me, personally... I wouldn't reward her for being home.  I'd give her the space for us *both* to get a time-out, thus the crate gave her the head-space to think about what she just did.  That's me, though.  I've never raised Aussie pups like Julie has.  (Echo is an Aussie mix, right?)

    Puppyhood stinks.  Door dashing is dangerous.  What sort of plan does your trainer offer you for working with this? 

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     She has lost the right to be off the leash. I would go and find a 40 foot lunge line so that she has some space, but you retain control.

    As for door bolting. Hard core training. Sit and stay...you open the door, she moves, you close the door. Rinse and repeat.

    Sorry you were hurt, hope it gets better.

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    Walmart sells dock line, $3 for 50 feet. It's plain, soft rope that you can tie to a carabiner or clip for a drag line. Excellent for these situations.

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    Bailey used to be a extreme door dasher. He'd sneak up behind anyone near a door, and patiently wait for just the right moment to make his move. It look a lot of work, but it was well worth it because he has very nice door manners now.

    I taught him that ON LEASH it is okay to just walk through the doorway regularly (no running or dashing, just calm walking), but if he is OFF LEASH, the second he steps through a doorway going outside he must turn around and focus on me until I release him. For Bailey, it also helped him to have a "job" to do after waiting for me, so I taught him to close the outside door behind me once I step outside (he pushes it closed with his paw).

    He wore a thin, lightweight longline the entire time until I was confident he couldn't dash out the door. Altho Bailey wouldn't run off, I live on a busy street and it was NOT something I was willing to risk.

    miranadobe
     I've never raised Aussie pups like Julie has.  (Echo is an Aussie mix, right?)

    I believe Echo is a Portuguese Water Dog.

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     I agree with the others - keep a leash on her at all times again - door dashing is way too dangerous

    step 1 all over again at the door as described by Dawn

    I don't have an issue with sending her to her crate - just have a kong or other treat available to put in there with her so although it is a sort of punishment get the kong/treat at the same time not so bad LOL

    I have a dog that apparently isn't ever going to fully grow up and still at 5 has days .........difficult days - we are having a bunch right now because he is bad around my mom.  Learning how to predict their 'badness' to prevent it and how to manage them is the ticket - imho

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    I had an escape artist for 15+ yrs and learned that if you made coming home a bad thing, the dog wouldn't do it. Going home is only one part of the problem. The other part is the door darting to begin with. But once the dog is out, its best to do what it takes to get it back then throw a big party so being with you is a great thing. Instead of being with you gets me put in the crate.
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    Remember, I come at this from the standpoint that I"m a bit disabled and I can *NOT* chase the dog ... not even one time. 

    You chase -- she runs -- prey/predator - it's a game. DON'T let it happen.

    My pups always stay leashed for months and months -- it's not damaging and it's sanity saving.

    However -- I do something different for door dashing.  Mostly because on the other hand even in our fenced yard I can NOT go chase the dog to get it to come in. 

    SOOOOO I keep a line tied someplace sturdy (right now I tie it to the concrete ramp out back, but it can as easily be tied to a eye grommet screwed into the floor INSIDE next to the door.  On the other end is a leash clip. 

     BEFORE THE DOOR IS OPENED ***EVER*** (no matter who is doing the opening -- husband, child or you) Echo MUST get the leash clipped to her (and if you already have her dragging a leash FINE -- clip it to the end of that leash!)

    But the door NEVER opens without Echo being tied to the house.  She comes, she sits, leash is clipped, THEN door opens.

    Have one of these lovely little lines at EVERY SINGLE DOOR.  If you have a front door and back door -- both places.  If your garage is built on and the door is EVER open -- have one inside the door to the garage. 

    Then -- while you have her corralled -- you can teach her any of the above.  i LOVE the idea of teaching her to close the door.

    Clothesline, Seine twine == most anything.  Just have one at every single door -- have it literally tied to something attached to the house.  IT WORKS> 

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    Jewlieee
    But once the dog is out, its best to do what it takes to get it back then throw a big party so being with you is a great thing. Instead of being with you gets me put in the crate.

    I see what you're saying, and that's the place to be when you can manage your emotional reactions to "less-desirable" dog behavior. ("No bad dogs...", afterall.lol)  In this case, where she was actively angry w/the dog, better to give the dog space from her.  If the crate is habitually a positive, peaceful, nice place to be (from previous crate training experiences), then it was a better place to be, than near her owner who is angry w/the dog.  Sometimes people need the space to bring things down a notch w/ourselves before handling the dog positively and constructively.
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     Just a quick question. Why would you be mad at the dog? Essentially, if the owner knows that said dog has done this prior to today, wouldn't it be the owners fault?

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    miranadobe
    Sometimes people need the space to bring things down a notch w/ourselves before handling the dog positively and constructively.

    Isn't this the truth!  Heidi was such a difficult puppy...mostly with mouthing though.  She spent the better part of her puppyhood on a drag line, so that I could maintain control.  I agree...have her on a line/leash at all times...until she is proves herself.  And, amp up the NILIF.  Might want to work on "wait" before entering any door or exiting (even the crate). 

    Are you practicing recall at every single opportunity?  And, using the most extraordinay yummy, drippy meat when recalling? 

    I completely understand how exasperating high energy, willful puppies can be.  Hang in there, this too shall pass.

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    Why was I mad?  First, she door dashed when my 6 yr old was coming outside. He is very good about having her stay before he leaves the house.  She bolted and went flying around running full tilt; meanwhile there are several young kids and babies playing on this beautiful day, and cars driving up and down.  Here is goofball Echo playing keep away from me, gleeflully running around and around people and children, and she does the jump=stop, where she runs full-tilt and then stops by slamming with her front feet right into people's stomachs.   She did this to a 1 yr old.  She could've been seriously hurt. 

     Sure, it's my fault, she's my dog.   The trainer has us do a regular come command and then an emergecy recal (VAMOS!!!) which is followed by a good 30+seconds of food and praise.   She ignored both and turned a deaf ear to me.

    I was already outside with my 4 yr old at the time. 

    Second door dashing, she was running full tilt and I tried my "jealosy" tactic, which is to kneel down and make a fuss over Darby, who is almost always right at my feet.  It worked except this dog ran (and you should see her run, she can keep up with a greyhound) straight into me, slamming first into my wrist and then into my chest.  I couldn't breathe for a minute, she hit me so hard.

    Yes, I was mad.  She was foolish twice today (and how do you teach her to NOT jump=stop on people?) and I thought it better for us to both have a time out.  Her away from me, me away from her.  She was rewarded with treats when I shut her in, she was not tossed in in anger.   I needed a moment to catch my breath and calm down.

    As a puppy I am sure she is allowed momentary indescression but I was quite upset.  At the moment, she's laying on my feet gazing up at me.

    I just need to nix the door-dashing, jump-stopping and just general feet-up=on-everything issues.

    And yes, she's a portuguese water dog with an improper smooth coat.