Nikon's diagnosis (and happy birthday)

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    Nikon's diagnosis (and happy birthday)

    I just want to preface this by saying that when I have a gut feeling about something, I'm always right.  I knew and have known for quite some time that there is something just not right about Nikon.

    There's good new, and bad news, and like I said I'm not really surprised....

    The GOOD news: hips (as far as sockets and femoral heads go) are fine, elbows fine/normal.  He does not have hip dysplasia, spondylosis, or DM.  He does not have to "retire" or restrict any activity.

    The bad news is that his pelvis is malformed.  The vet believes he was crushed as a puppy, possibly during his birth or having been stepped on by the dam.  The former is possible, the dam delivers large puppies and sometimes has a little trouble.  The malformation is evident on his prelims from 7 months.  When you look at those original films, you see nice/normal hips and might think the positioning is not perfect, but it doesn't matter because there's no evidence of dysplasia, and then you might not really think any more about it.  What those films show along with today's films is that it's not physically possible for Nikon to be positioned correctly because his pelvis is not symmetrical, and his spine is not properly attached.  The new films show this more.

    Basically it went like this...the vet walks up to me and says straight up the dog is not normal (OK, I figured as much).  He said he had an impossible time positioning him and asks me if I'm familiar with hip x-rays.  I say yes, so he puts up Nikon's next to a really nice one.  We both agree that what the OFA is looking for is not a problem, probably not "excellent" hips but not dysplastic.  But he points out several areas where the pelvis is not symmetrical and explains is not just an issue of bad positioning because the knees are positioned correctly, the spine is correct, the femur heads are symmetrical.  He asks me more about the symptoms I've noticed, how long, etc and I mention I've got Nikon's prelims in the van, and he says that would be good for him to see.  Immediately he says he can see they have the same problem, the right side of the pelvis looks almost caved in, and the spine is not attached in the correct spot on the left side.  He said if I'd just plopped this dog on his table, he would have said the dog was hit by a car.  The pelvis is now healed, but the conformation is not correct and never will be. 

    Then we talked about OFA and decided not to submit.  The problem is that the OFA might not accept the films for their database because there is clearly a problem, which means the rating really has no value, if that makes sense.  The positioning is actually better than many I've seen that have been rated, but there's a difference between slightly bad positioning and a malformed pelvis.  I said I don't mind spending the money to submit them, but he recommended I not submit if for no other reason than I can keep my films for further comparison later if needed.  In the end, I liked that because I would like to keep them.  It's possible that if I submitted them, the OFA would accept them, rate them, but also make a notation about the pelvis (for example they often find spondylosis on hip x-rays and note this even if the hips are deemed fair/good/ex).

    The elbows are fine, spinal x-ray (which he did do) is fine.

    The implications...we don't really know.  Since Nikon has never shown pain, the vet didn't see any reason to limit his activity.  Limiting activity becomes a quality of life issue for Nikon!  The vet had also pulled and stretched him every which-way and got no pain response (and I took Nikon to the vet a year ago for this very reason and was told he either pulled a muscle playing to hard or had pano).  He said I should keep him thin and I said, "thinner than he already is?" (because I just struggled to have him GAIN weight since he was looking like a skeleton) and he said, "No, you shepherd people really like your dogs thin!"  By thin he means normal.  Big Smile He said no supplements or anything are necessary because there's no arthritis yet.  No point in having him adjusted since he's always going to be off and if not done correctly could do more harm than good.  So really I don't have to do anything, not even limit jumping.  When he is older he may develop some spondylosis in that area but we don't really know.  At this point he is clear for Schutzhund, agility, and being his hyper active self.  I might even finish showing him...wouldn't that be something, a V-rated UKC champion with a crushed pelvis!  (I'm trying to stay positive here!)

    *sigh*

    I'm working on getting images of the new films, I'm waiting for it to get dark so I can backlight a window and take a picture....

    In the mean time, Nikon turned two recently (and I turn 26 on Sat, the peace of mind with this diagnosis is my present to myself) so here's some recent pics of my main man:
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    • Gold Top Dog

     First of all, happy birthday to both of you! Party!!!

    And while it's not great news, I'm so happy that there's no hip dysplasia.  You guys can keep doing what you're doing, and hopefully you'll never see any ill effects from the pelvis!

    Beautiful pictures!

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    Happy birthday as well!

    Well it sounds like good news in terms of no restrictions, etc.  Nuzzles to Nikon!!!

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    This is definitely more good than bad and I would do the same, as far as continuing doing what you have been with him.  I understand your satisfaction in knowing what's going on. 

    Happy Birthday to both of you.  Cake  Ice cream for everyone! LOL

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    Ditto on all the above! Happy Birthday to both of you and hurrah that Nikon can continue all his activities! Cake

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    Happy Birdday, Nikon! You really are a gorgeous doggie.

    I hope his hips don't cause too much trouble/pain down the road.

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     Lies I am so glad that his hips are fine and that no change in activity is necessary!  that is wonderful news for you and your boy on your birthdays!!

    I hope that his pelvis doesn't cause him and trouble and I would think that the muscle he has will act as a preventative for any issues.

    Now more importantly ..............

    Nikon GET THEM GEESE!!!! (Bugsy told me to tell him that)

    That picture of him and Kenya is amazing - he is absolutely stunning!

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     Happy Birthday to you both!

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     You know, over all, that sounds like good news.

    Happy Birthday to both of you!  Wow, I can't believe Nikon is two already.  Oh, and I love that picture of the two of you.

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    Happy birthdays!!

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    My poor attempt at photos.  Please do not judge the quality of the films based on these photos!  The angle is off b/c of how I was standing, light was uneven, and there was a curtain (with creases) behind them.

    The orange circle shows where the sacro-iliac is set wrong (subluxation?).  The other circles show where the pelvis bones are not symmetrical.


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    Liesje, I'm sorry the films showed that there is, indeed, a problem, but I'm glad it's not nearly as bad as it could be. And I agree - Nikon's awesome level of physical fitness will probably help a ton. He sure is a handsome dog. Happy birthday, big guy!
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    Thanks everyone!  I'm just...relieved! And when I got home from the vet there was a message from a co-worker (someone on my team who I work with daily) saying his dad has colon cancer so that put everything in perspective for me really fast.  Tonight we went outside and had an awesome training session complete with Nikon crazily running blinds and playing fetch.  No more taking it easy!

    I'm also mailing the films to an expert radiologist for another look.

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    Liesje
    No more taking it easy!

    YAY!!! 

    I'm glad that it's not anything worse.

    Happy birthday to the both of you!

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     Such a relief - and Nikon will have a cool story to tell all his friends. Wink  Happy birthday to both of you!